HoFer manager getting booed at home just weeks into the 2021 season...pretty ugly.

 

45 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

 

Hahahaha he really thinks Leury was the best shot in that spot.  Holy Shit the delusion...

38 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Hahahaha he really thinks Leury was the best shot in that spot.  Holy Shit the delusion...

I saw that in the box score ( couldn’t watch today ) and immediately thought WTF.

"Evidently"... isn't the evidence his decision to start him in the first place? Support from other coaches advocating for Vaughn?   Strangely worded if it was a literal translation. 

On 4/29/2021 at 5:22 PM, caulfield12 said:

HoFer manager getting booed at home just weeks into the 2021 season...pretty ugly.

Sure hope he doesn't take that too personally and resign. ?

Vaughn had a far greater chance of hitting into a double play than Leury. Vaughn is by far the slowest player on the team.

That was a consideration.as were Vaughn's prior at-bats in that game where he looked entirely over-matched. He  put swings on balls that he missed by a foot.

Leury had at least been making contact and had several RBIs in the games against Detroit.

The LaRussa critic derangement syndrome continues.  Proceed.

Steve Stone commented after one of  Vaughn's strike-outs in that game that he was a  young hitter was being "taken advantage of" by a veteran pitcher.

In short, he was dominated.

LaRussa didn't want that to happen again with the game on the line against Cleveland's Closer.

As CaliSoxfan said yesterday, LaRussa is also trying to put Vaughn in situations where he is more likely to succeed. That wasn't one of them.

Give me a break. That game was lost by Keuchel's walk-a-thon, not by LaRussa.  The last 3 relievers that the Sox faced haven't given up any earned runs to us in a while. The Indians have a strong back end of either bullpen.  If you trail after 6 innings, you are probably going to lose.

Vaughn has done most of his damage against LHP though, his line against RHP so far is 229/308/286, 75 ops+ and that is not a coincidence or small sample either as Vaughn has really gotten all his hits on the inner half of the plate, against righties who can locate a slider in the outer third of the zone he basically is an automatic out currently. 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/andrew-vaughn/26197/heat-maps?position=OF&ss=&se=&hand=&count=&pitch=&season=&view=bat&data=&grid=&blur=&type=4

It is a good decision to not bat Vaughn against tough righties, the issue is that leury has been even worse. 

If you pinch hit for him it should be collins or even lamb against a tough righty and not leury. 

Edited May 1, 20214 yr by Dominikk85

I dont like the idea of pinch hitting with Leury. Collins should have been the choice instead

On 4/29/2021 at 5:22 PM, caulfield12 said:

HoFer manager getting booed at home just weeks into the 2021 season...pretty ugly.

He was booed on a regular basis before he was rightfully shitcanned his last stint here. Beyond a few “deranged” sycophants, most see the lineup construction, bullpen, late inning hitting decisions, postgame comments and cognitive decline as major problems.

Tony acknowledged his mistakes multiple times in the first few weeks. The players experience these failures firsthand. If they persist, it will cause a major rift in the clubhouse, if it hasn’t already begun. There is too much at stake to allow someone asleep at the wheel to continue to attempt to drive.

Solid critique of La Russia’s pitching staff management, and the risk of pitcher injury with continued outlier usage patterns against league averages.

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/66522/moonshot-tony-la-russa-is-leaving-his-pitchers-in-too-long/?utm_source=Baseball+Prospectus&utm_campaign=b6e3638c30-2021-04-30+BP+basic+Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1613350d6d-b6e3638c30-369388677&mc_cid=b6e3638c30&mc_eid=89f998c67e
 

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So far this year, La Russa’s starters have thrown four games with pitch counts at or above 110 throws. The entire rest of the league, combined, has only thrown seven of these games.

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It’s fascinating then that La Russa has not aged with the current norms. It goes to show how rapidly baseball changes in the modern era: a manager who was once at the cutting edge is now far behind it. Whether the 76-year-old skipper will learn from the Giolito mistake and update his tactics remains to be seen, but if he doesn’t, it risks putting a rotation full of promising young arms in danger.

2 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Solid critique of La Russia’s pitching staff management, and the risk of pitcher injury with continued outlier usage patterns against league averages.

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/66522/moonshot-tony-la-russa-is-leaving-his-pitchers-in-too-long/?utm_source=Baseball+Prospectus&utm_campaign=b6e3638c30-2021-04-30+BP+basic+Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1613350d6d-b6e3638c30-369388677&mc_cid=b6e3638c30&mc_eid=89f998c67e
 

Thank you Jerry

While many are unhappy with how TL left Gio in the game the other day...I am surprised that Cairo and Katz go unmentioned.  They certainly have input into these matters.

5 hours ago, Dominikk85 said:

Vaughn has done most of his damage against LHP though, his line against RHP so far is 229/308/286, 75 ops+ and that is not a coincidence or small sample either as Vaughn has really gotten all his hits on the inner half of the plate, against righties who can locate a slider in the outer third of the zone he basically is an automatic out currently. 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/andrew-vaughn/26197/heat-maps?position=OF&ss=&se=&hand=&count=&pitch=&season=&view=bat&data=&grid=&blur=&type=4

It is a good decision to not bat Vaughn against tough righties, the issue is that leury has been even worse. 

If you pinch hit for him it should be collins or even lamb against a tough righty and not leury. 

Dominkk I see you do this all the time, and I love your enjoyment of metrics, but this is just not how they were meant to be used.

The projectability of 47 ab's (the total amount Vaughn has) using his current statistics has an R value still well south of .5 (sitting around .32-.42 depending on which stat you're looking at). That means even his entire sample still isn't yet a great indicator of what he's going to be as a hitter in his next AB or his next 100 AB's. By taking the sample down even smaller, to being L/R splits, you are dropping the R value down to .25-.32 depending on the metric you are looking at. The only thing that sees an R value near to past .5 over 50 AB's are K/BB metrics, and even then it just creeps over. It is typically the fastest to normalize.

There is no need to take a small sample and make it smaller and start drawing conclusions on what Vaughn can and can't do. Is it possible he has been more comfortable vs lefties than righties this year? Sure. Is it predictable to the point of making a decision based on it? No.

Edited May 1, 20214 yr by Look at Ray Ray Run

47 minutes ago, poppysox said:

While many are unhappy with how TL left Gio in the game the other day...I am surprised that Cairo and Katz go unmentioned.  They certainly have input into these matters.

Keep carrying water for TLR bro

12 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Keep carrying water for TLR bro

You don't have an answer to the question apparently.  

 

 

 

Just now, poppysox said:

You don't have an answer to the question apparently.  

 

 

 

He's the HOF manager that was hand picked by our overly loyal owner. He is one of the owner's best friends. Hell, TLR may have more power than Hahn or KW. 

You think the young pitching coach or the fucking bench coach have any sway over him? Just lol. We don't know what they did or didn't tell La Russa in these situations. Bottom line, it is TLR's decision to pull the pitchers, NOT Katz or Cairo. 

Your endless defense of him is embarrassing. 

3 minutes ago, ron883 said:

He's the HOF manager that was hand picked by our overly loyal owner. He is one of the owner's best friends. Hell, TLR may have more power than Hahn or KW. 

You think the young pitching coach or the fucking bench coach have any sway over him? Just lol. We don't know what they did or didn't tell La Russa in these situations. Bottom line, it is TLR's decision to pull the pitchers, NOT Katz or Cairo. 

Your endless defense of him is embarrassing. 

Of course, TL has the final say.  I was making the point that Katz & Cairo are also part of the discussion to remove a pitcher and it is seldom if ever mentioned.  Try to get over your passive-aggressive nature and let someone have an opinion that differs from your own once in a while.

If Robin Ventura or Ricky Reneria were making the same decisions Tony has made, no one would be defending them.

Someone , maybe Hahn or KW or JR himself needs to tell Tony that especially from the left side Leury isn't a HOF baseball person brother.  He isn't legit.

10 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

"Evidently"... isn't the evidence his decision to start him in the first place? Support from other coaches advocating for Vaughn?   Strangely worded if it was a literal translation. 

Then never pitch hit? 

36 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Keep carrying water for TLR bro

I believe it’s a fair criticism that Katz has exactly one player to be looking at, someone he’s experienced with, and did nothing. Didn’t ask how’s he doing, basically did nothing but sit on his butt and do nothing. Gio knew he was gassed and did nothing. Grown ass men not helping the team to win, but looking out for themselves. Plenty of blame to go around without being a TLR apologist. 

7 minutes ago, Texsox said:

I believe it’s a fair criticism that Katz has exactly one player to be looking at, someone he’s experienced with, and did nothing. Didn’t ask how’s he doing, basically did nothing but sit on his butt and do nothing. Gio knew he was gassed and did nothing. Grown ass men not helping the team to win, but looking out for themselves. Plenty of blame to go around without being a TLR apologist. 

Expecting a professional athlete and competitor to go out of his way to find his coach and say I'm through in just not a reasonable expectation imo. 

By asking as a coach, you give him a way out. If you never talk to a professional pitcher I'd bet the majority of them would just keep pitching until he's told not too. 150,pitches be damned.

Hey so why the fuck is Jake Lamb on this roster? Cause he’s a lefty? 

Edited May 1, 20214 yr by ShoeLessRob

20 minutes ago, Texsox said:

I believe it’s a fair criticism that Katz has exactly one player to be looking at, someone he’s experienced with, and did nothing. Didn’t ask how’s he doing, basically did nothing but sit on his butt and do nothing. Gio knew he was gassed and did nothing. Grown ass men not helping the team to win, but looking out for themselves. Plenty of blame to go around without being a TLR apologist. 

If Katz said nothing he is to blame but we don't know if he didn't say anything. 

Maybe he said something and was shot down by tlr