March 8, 20224 yr 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Hopefully that means they are actually talking instead of trying to control the narrative through leaks. Definitely much less public than last time. Maybe they actually do realize the urgency of the situation vs. just saying they do.
March 8, 20224 yr 23 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I only see a salary floor helping the middle players. Forces owners to pay. A higher cap doesn't force anyone to pay, and actually just allows for the higher spenders to probably spend more likely on the bigger guys. Happ said teams don't want to bump up against the cap in case they're contending at the deadline so instead of signing that veteran OF or reliever they'll just pay a rookie the league min. Raising the cap gives teams more room to sign veteran players.
March 8, 20224 yr 40 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: The higher cap is for the middle level players. Ian Happ explained it in a podcast. The top guys will always get theirs but the middle guys are getting squeezed out because owners would rather pay a rookie league min than bump up against the cap. A floor helps the mid level guys a lot more than pushing the CBT a weak $10 million annually. A team will much rather use that extra $10 million to blow out the Market on A Mike Trout type guy than for veteran fillers.
March 8, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: A floor helps the mid level guys a lot more than pushing the CBT a weak $10 million annually. A team will much rather use that extra $10 million to blow out the Market on A Mike Trout type guy than for veteran fillers. My thoughts as well
March 8, 20224 yr 42 minutes ago, hogan873 said: It's been eerily quiet. One meeting so far today and not a peep since. Even Nightengale has resorted to tweeting pics of Liam "Man of the People" Hendriks instead of throwing out inaccurate play by play of the meetings. I don't know why anyone takes Nightengale seriously. His reporting is a joke. All you need to do is listen to his interview with Garfein on the soxtalk podcast to realize that the guy is just not the person to get good information from. He needs to retire.
March 8, 20224 yr Today might be the last day to get a full season of baseball in and nobody cares and is talking about the nfl and it's the offseason for that sport.
March 8, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, bmags said: Today might be the last day to get a full season of baseball in and nobody cares and is talking about the nfl and it's the offseason for that sport. I think the NFL headlines might work in the favor of getting a deal done quicker. Or at least add to the urgency (I hope).
March 8, 20224 yr C'mon man. They aren't coming to an agreement any time soon. It is funny, the deadline for the full season was 2/28, then 3/1, now 3/8, they really mean it this time.
March 8, 20224 yr Author 17 minutes ago, bmags said: Today might be the last day to get a full season of baseball in and nobody cares and is talking about the nfl and it's the offseason for that sport. Well that or this is the third time that MLB has said this is the last time.
March 8, 20224 yr 3 hours ago, ptatc said: Job security is one thing many unions negotiate for. Just look at how crazy the NFL reports is about Rogers getting 153 out of 200 million actually guaranteed. Guarateed contracts are immensely important and a huge advantage for the MLB players. again, this completely ignores that guaranteed contracts are not more important than receiving hundreds of millions of dollars more in total compensation distributed amongst the pool of possible participants. No one is saying guarantees don't have value; they had immense value when MLB was getting 48% and other sports were getting 48%. Guarantees are not worth giving up 7-8% of guaranteed earnings. That is illogical.
March 8, 20224 yr 57 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: A floor helps the mid level guys a lot more than pushing the CBT a weak $10 million annually. A team will much rather use that extra $10 million to blow out the Market on A Mike Trout type guy than for veteran fillers. This is what I would think and yet it doesn't seem to be the discussion anymore.
March 8, 20224 yr 9 minutes ago, DirtySox said: It's Bob, so take it how you will. Ah shit. Bob just doomed us.
March 8, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, hogan873 said: Ah shit. Bob just doomed us. At least he caveated it somewhat this time.
March 8, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: C'mon man. They aren't coming to an agreement any time soon. It is funny, the deadline for the full season was 2/28, then 3/1, now 3/8, they really mean it this time.
March 8, 20224 yr I have stopped following the news about the lockout. I just assume there won't be a full season, if there is a season at all. I am not going crazy trying to analyze this situation. Edited March 8, 20224 yr by NWINFan
March 8, 20224 yr 49 minutes ago, DirtySox said: It's Bob, so take it how you will. Bob's information is about as good as the foodie guys. Speaking of which...where in the world have they been! And notstevecishek! I'd believe them over Bob.
March 8, 20224 yr I’m not sure what “penalties for excessive spending” refers to, but definitely seems like the owners are making some concessions.
March 8, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said: Bob's information is about as good as the foodie guys. Speaking of which...where in the world have they been! And notstevecishek! I'd believe them over Bob. Caveat-unless it's Sox related. Bob is Jerry's BFF in the media. Dammit-they killed the fake Bob known as @boobnightengale Edited March 8, 20224 yr by Jack Parkman
March 8, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, HOFHurt35 said: A floor helps the mid level guys a lot more than pushing the CBT a weak $10 million annually. A team will much rather use that extra $10 million to blow out the Market on A Mike Trout type guy than for veteran fillers. A floor is an unrealistic ask. It would come with outrageous concessions. Edited March 8, 20224 yr by Harold's Leg Lift
March 8, 20224 yr Author 4 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: A floor is an unrealistic ask. It would come with outrageous concessions. Which is exactly what happened in the initial offer that was made with it. Everything else was so regressive, it never went anywhere.
March 8, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: again, this completely ignores that guaranteed contracts are not more important than receiving hundreds of millions of dollars more in total compensation distributed amongst the pool of possible participants. No one is saying guarantees don't have value; they had immense value when MLB was getting 48% and other sports were getting 48%. Guarantees are not worth giving up 7-8% of guaranteed earnings. That is illogical. That's the key. There is no guaranteed 7-8% earnings. When contracts are not guaranteed, they may not get it. Remember the Manny rumors dies he go for the guaranteed 300 million from san Diego or the 285 guaranteed with incentives to go to 325. He went with the 300 guaranteed. Why? It's guaranteed, injuries don't play a factor, poor play doesn't matter.
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