Bob Sacamano Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, poppysox said: Exactly right. I would be totally in favor of having a minimum payroll requirement. That would actually have a chance of making weak teams compete a bit. I thought parity was everyone's big need. And in the original offer from the MLB last August, they offered a floor of $100 mill. They showed their hand. We know those low salary teams can definitely spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, bmags said: MLB contracts are guaranteed and their benefits are much more generous than NFLs. The benefits are definitely better, as is the pension plan, but it really doesn't matter if they're guaranteed or not if the total distribution of revenue is significantly lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The benefits are definitely better, as is the pension plan, but it really doesn't matter if they're guaranteed or not if the total distribution of revenue is significantly lower. You should ask the players whether they will offer non-guaranteed contracts on the table in exchange for higher share of revenue since it doesn't matter. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: And in the original offer from the MLB last August, they offered a floor of $100 mill. They showed their hand. We know those low salary teams can definitely spend. I don't remember the MLB offering a $100 million floor. Why didn't the players take it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 52 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: And in the original offer from the MLB last August, they offered a floor of $100 mill. They showed their hand. We know those low salary teams can definitely spend. I mean, each team gets $60M+ in national TV money plus at least $40M in local TV money. Yes, there are other expenses than just player salary, but throw in revenue sharing and any level of gate receipts, concessions, merchandise, etc. and every single franchise can support a $100M+ payroll no questions asked. Now that spending is constrained in the draft and international amateur free agency, there is zero reason not to have a salary floor other than to allow low revenue clubs looking to pocket boatloads of cash. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I mean, each team gets $60M+ in national TV money plus at least $40M in local TV money. Yes, there are other expenses than just player salary, but throw in revenue sharing and any level of gate receipts, concessions, merchandise, etc. and every single franchise can support a $100M+ payroll no questions asked. Now that spending is constrained in the draft and international amateur free agency, there is zero reason not to have a salary floor other than to allow low revenue clubs looking to pocket boatloads of cash. How much are you thinking their MiLB payroll is? Front office staff? Coaching staffs at each level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Texsox said: How much are you thinking their MiLB payroll is? Front office staff? Coaching staffs at each level? $100M max which I’d wager is offset by non TV revenue and revenue sharing. And just for context, the lowest revenue teams are gaining $50M to $60M from revenue sharing on top of the $100M money from TV revenue. And gate receipts in a regular length season should be close to $40M for even the weakest teams and that doesn’t account for concession, merchandise, parking, etc. I’m very confident a $100M floor is achievable. Edited March 8, 2022 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, poppysox said: I don't remember the MLB offering a $100 million floor. Why didn't the players take it? It had a $180 million hard cap attached that would result in a significant cut from current payrolls. Plus, the players have made it totally clear that they will take less money overall to avoid a hard cap. The White Sox are more than $15 million over that number right now. They’d have been over the cap without Leury and Gravemann and would have had to cut payroll substantially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 20 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: $100M max which I’d wager is offset by non TV revenue and revenue sharing. And just for context, the lowest revenue teams are gaining $50M to $60M from revenue sharing on top of the $100M money from TV revenue. And gate receipts in a regular length season should be close to $40M for even the weakest teams and that doesn’t account for concession, merchandise, parking, etc. I’m very confident a $100M floor is achievable. While I totally agree that it would bankrupt zero teams, it would impact more than half the league at some point (including the White Sox go basically printed money for 2 years with payrolls below that) so if it only takes 8 votes by owners to torpedo a proposal, a legitimate minimum salary has a gigantic uphill climb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Dam8610 said: The "weak" NFLPA is getting its players between 47 and 48.5 percent of the leaguewide revenues. The "strong" MLBPA is struggling to get MLB owners to give up 40 percent of the revenues. I thought someone posted a source earlier stating MLB players get 47% of revenues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 All winter, every player was repeating the mantra: "We want a league where everyone is competitive". They got their raise for pre-arb players. They got a strong bump to the "floor". But when push came to shove all that mattered was the CBT. Boras knows the money is in the top line. Fire both camps into the Glendale sun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 27 minutes ago, ptatc said: I thought someone posted a source earlier stating MLB players get 47% of revenues. 48% is the amount of local revenues that currently goes to the shared revenue pool among teams. It is not the players’ share of total revenue. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-lockout-three-reasons-why-the-players-union-wants-to-alter-baseballs-revenue-sharing-system/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 57 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: It had a $180 million hard cap attached that would result in a significant cut from current payrolls. Plus, the players have made it totally clear that they will take less money overall to avoid a hard cap. The White Sox are more than $15 million over that number right now. They’d have been over the cap without Leury and Gravemann and would have had to cut payroll substantially. Like everything else in this negotiation...it put the subject on the table. If the owners/players would have excepted the $220 CBT with a $60M minimum that would surely be a win for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 minute ago, poppysox said: Like everything else in this negotiation...it put the subject on the table. If the owners/players would have excepted the $220 CBT with a $60M minimum that would surely be a win for everyone. I have wondered if that would be a way to get around the current tax level impasse, but I think at even $60 million you suddenly get more teams voting against it (Pittsburgh, Cleveland). They would tolerate that for a hard cap, but not for a luxury tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 28 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: 48% is the amount of local revenues that currently goes to the shared revenue pool among teams. It is not the players’ share of total revenue. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-lockout-three-reasons-why-the-players-union-wants-to-alter-baseballs-revenue-sharing-system/amp/ Got it. I knew someone posted something about that number somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I have wondered if that would be a way to get around the current tax level impasse, but I think at even $60 million you suddenly get more teams voting against it (Pittsburgh, Cleveland). They would tolerate that for a hard cap, but not for a luxury tax. These NO votes on both sides need to sober up. Compromise is going to happen eventually...why not now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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