April 1, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Would you rather pay $15 million for 1 year of AJ Pollock or $6 million for Joc Pederson? Is this even a question? I'd rahter pay Pollock 30 million than give Joc Pederson a starting spot.
April 1, 20223 yr Just now, Tnetennba said: So Crappy Kimbrel for Pollock straight up, no cash money? Holy Shit Snacks that makes me happy. It was probably the best trade available out there. The question is would you rather have Pollock for 1 year or somebody like Rosario at 2/$18 million in free agency? Cause that's probably who we end up with if we don't pick up the Kimbrel option.
April 1, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I've been saying it as well. A lot have been. Agreed. But some very vocal people (I won't name names) have been complaining about picking up that option because Kimbrel would not be traded.
April 1, 20223 yr I know everyone is gitty because of Kimbrel's AL performance was terrible. So they trade a guy who hasn't really faced AL hitters for a guy who hasn't faced AL pitchers. NL players don't have much success in a Sox uniform so I guess the expectations if for defense. Sox have bad luck with career NL players. Hahn's trades rarely work. You hope that will change someday. I would have preferred some ready to play prospects but that is long term thinking.
April 1, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Jake said: Does Pollock have the arm to play RF? Not really, but at this point, beggars can't be choosers. He's still pretty fast and he's close to average in LF according to all the metrics. His arm is actually one of his worst attributes defensively, which is why he's playing LF.
April 1, 20223 yr Last bit, I can swallow much easier the notion of trading Nick Madrigal and Codi Heuer for someone like AJ Pollock who is going to get 400-450 PA's, and play everyday in the playoffs, than for a reliever who is going to be a set-up man.
April 1, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Tony said: Talk about moving the goalposts! Holy Balta! Imagine his ego ever letting him admit when he's wrong
April 1, 20223 yr Just now, chw42 said: Not really, but at this point, beggars can't be choosers. He's still pretty fast and he's close to average in LF according to all the metrics. His arm is actually one of his worst attributes defensively, which is why he's playing LF. Yeah I was mainly trying to figure out if we were going to try to do some weird thing where we DH Eloy a bunch just to keep Pollock out of RF.
April 1, 20223 yr 39 minutes ago, mac9001 said: Honestly if Engel is healthy give me Pollock in left, Engel in right and Eloy DHing. Dude. Yes, this should be the starting lineup. Good call. Put a hole in the wall with my stiffy reading that idea
April 1, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Dude What is your point exactly? I thought they wouldn't get someone as good as Pollock in a deal for Kimbrel and they did...so I'm happy about it...those posts support this claim haha Edited April 1, 20223 yr by Bob Sacamano
April 1, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, chw42 said: Not really, but at this point, beggars can't be choosers. He's still pretty fast and he's close to average in LF according to all the metrics. His arm is actually one of his worst attributes defensively, which is why he's playing LF. Yeah, his arm is weak but him and Robert should cover some ground and Robert has a ++ arm for CF and should be able to cut off the gaps so it might help negate that weakness a bit. Robert covers up for so much in the outfield.
April 1, 20223 yr 47 minutes ago, Tony said: TLR is going to have a ton of options to play with. This isn't going to be a team with a "regular" lineup. The only regular will be Leury.
April 1, 20223 yr Balta, I was with you in that boat of it was terrible to pick up the option and they'll never get anything of value for Kimbrel. Turns out they did. Hahn >> Ray Ray today. It's good news, not bad. Always good to be wrong when the outcome is a positive one. Everytime I saw people mentioned Bellinger and Pollock I thought they were crazy. Turns out, Hahn knew what he was doing with the option and he turned it into a viable talent that filled a hole on the roster. It doesn't change the off-season process in other areas from being poor, but Hahn won this one. Pollock has risk, but so did Kimbrel. At least Pollock wasn't a guy being paid to play a position he wasn't even going to play with the Sox.
April 1, 20223 yr At 34 (35 at time of option) this is really getting a 2 year 20 million dollar deal. on a competitive team...that doesn't require him to play 600 abs, I see zero reason why he doesn't take the 10 mil to end his career. This aligns perfect with Cespedes and Colas incoming and is miles better than a 5 year Conforto deal IF those guys are good enough to be starters.
April 1, 20223 yr Anxiously awaiting the angry 2023 off season discussion after not buying out Pollock's option.
April 1, 20223 yr Just now, EloyJenkins said: At 34 (35 at time of option) this is really getting a 2 year 20 million dollar deal. on a competitive team...that doesn't require him to play 600 abs, I see zero reason why he doesn't take the 10 mil to end his career. This aligns perfect with Cespedes and Colas incoming and is miles better than a 5 year Conforto deal IF those guys are good enough to be starters. Pollock probably gets $5+ million next year in a deal if he's any decent this year and plays at least half the season. From a money standpoint, he's probably going to opt-out. But if he really likes it here, maybe he stays.
April 1, 20223 yr Even though I've been one of the few poster defending what we had for the OF and thought we might not trade Kimbrel, I wholly support this move. Certainly, this vindicates the Sox for exercising their option on Kimbrel. Below is what I posted on the Athletic. ***************** Excellent move for the White Sox, who get an experienced outfielder who once had CF range, and who has no platoon splits, to be their regular right fielder. Pollack's wRC+ last year of 137 would make him the 3rd best hitter on the Sox, behind only Luis Robert and Yasmani Grandal. But he's likely to slide into the 6 or 7 hole for Chicago, which is also where he hit most often last year for the Dodgers. Now the Sox don't have to stretch out Adam Engel to see how well his good hitting the last 2 years would work with a lot more ABs, but still have him as an excellent 4th outfielder and defensive replacement. And they don't need to use the awesome platoon of Gavin Sheets/Andrew Vaughn in the outfield much. No one knew if Kimbrel could bounce back in a non-closer role, and we still won't know. So, even if he returns to form as a closer for the Dodgers, Sox fans won't know if he would have done as well in a setup role. The Sox pen is still at least 5 deep (assuming Crochet wasn't hurt badly yesterday) with quality pitchers -- Hendrix, Graveman, Kelly, Bummer, and Crochet -- and have several other arms who can fill in (and also be stashed in AAA for fill-in duties). With 2 long men in Lopez and Velasquez to go with 5 starters, they only have room for 6 short guys when the rosters return to 26. If they still had Kimbrell, they might have had to cut a reliever without options. So, for Madrigal, the Sox at least get an offensive upgrade for this season, and a player they might be able to keep for an extra year at a reasonable cost to straddle the time until Colas or Cespedes are ready.
April 1, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Jerksticks said: Dude. Yes, this should be the starting lineup. Good call. Put a hole in the wall with my stiffy reading that idea I want Vaughn in the everyday lineup as much as possible. Think he's going to mash. What this trade does (finally) is give the roster a little flexibility. I still think you can find plenty of at bats for Vaughn in LF, DH, 1B without sacrificing Eloy, Abreu. Pollock probably needs days off to stay healthy anyway.
April 1, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Superstar Lamar said: Anxiously awaiting the angry 2023 off season discussion after not buying out Pollock's option. It’s a player option not a team option. If Pollack leaves for free agency the Sox pay him 5 million to leave. He can choose to stay for 10 million
April 1, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I'll add, I'd rather have Pollock for this year than Conforto. I agree.
April 1, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Balta, I was with you in that boat of it was terrible to pick up the option and they'll never get anything of value for Kimbrel. Turns out they did. Hahn >> Ray Ray today. It's good news, not bad. Always good to be wrong when the outcome is a positive one. Everytime I saw people mentioned Bellinger and Pollock I thought they were crazy. Turns out, Hahn knew what he was doing with the option and he turned it into a viable talent that filled a hole on the roster. It doesn't change the off-season process in other areas from being poor, but Hahn won this one. Pollock has risk, but so did Kimbrel. At least Pollock wasn't a guy being paid to play a position he wasn't even going to play with the Sox. I haven't liked a lot of your posts on here, Ray Ray, but this shows that you are willing to give credit when it's due.
April 1, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, soxfan3530 said: I want Vaughn in the everyday lineup as much as possible. Think he's going to mash. What this trade does (finally) is give the roster a little flexibility. I still think you can find plenty of at bats for Vaughn in LF, DH, 1B without sacrificing Eloy, Abreu. Pollock probably needs days off to stay healthy anyway. Agreed. We'll probably still see Vaughn in RF occasionally if they want to give Pollock rest at DH every now and then.
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