Fire Rick Hahn

[South Side Hit Men]

Glad only 11,900 paid today.

371,868 / 22 Home Games = 16,903

Pace: 1,369,150 plus excess Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox and Cardinal tickets sold.

Post Jerry Cancelled World Series plus White Flag Trades the only two seasons  (1998 & 1999) under 1.4M at the new stadium.

Under 1.3M would be nice.

[South Side Hit Men]

Rick Hahn ranks 53rd among 77 Chicago General Managers across the four major sports. Both Hahn and the White Sox will continue to sink further baring a miraculous turnaround, as the standings below are through the end of last season.

If Hahn continues for several more seasons, the White Sox stand a significant chance of falling below ,500 as a franchise, a sad state only suffered once (1948-1954 seasons, with 1950 the nadar at .493).

Carter Hawkins, Kyle Davidson and Ryan Poles look to gain on Hahn with each and every new season.

Three of the five current owners (McCaskey, Reinsdorf's Sox and Wirtz) are in danger of falling under .500 during their tenure if they continue to have seasons similar to their current / most recent seasons. Ricketts is back to under .500 after last season.

Big Four Chicago Standings

• Decatur / Chicago Bears 1920-2022 786-624-42 .556
• Chicago Cubs 1876-2022 11,161-10,609-161 .513
• Chicago Bulls 1967-2023 2,344-2,254 .510
• Chicago White Sox 1901-2022 9,492-9,390 .503
• Chicago NHL Team 1927-2023 2,866-3,044-814 .487
• Chicago Cardinals 1920-1959 165-258-25 .396

Chicago General Manager Standings *

1. .734 47-17 Jerry Vainisi Bears (1983-1986) 1985
2. .707 28-11-2 Ralph Brizzolara Bears (1942-1945) 1943 1942
3. .680 314-139-34 George Halas Bears (1920-1941 & 1946-1962)  1921 1932 1933 1940 1941 1946 1922 1923 1924 1926 1934 1937 1948 1956
4. .653 801-421-19 Charles Murphy Cubs (1906-1913) 1907 1908 1906 1910
5. .639 277-155-8 William Hulbert Cubs (1876-1881) 1876 1880 1881
6. .604 198-130 Pat Williams Bulls (1969-1973)
7. .600 6-4 Tom Haller White Sox (September 27, 1986-October 5, 1986)
8. .592 90-58-26 Mike Keenan NHL (1990- November 6, 1992) 1992
9. .590 56-39 Bill Tobin Bears (1987-1992)
10. .588 542-379-1 Philip K. Wrigley Cubs (1932-1937) 1932 1935
11. .575 335-246-12 James Hart Cubs (1902-1905)
12. .575 34-25-1 Ray Bennigsen Cardinals (1947-1951) 1947 1948
13. .574 50-36-8 Chris O'Brien Cardinals (1920-1928) 1925
14. .565 246-189-2 Hank Greenberg White Sox (1959-August 25, 1961) 1959
15. .560 808-636 Jerry Krause Bulls (1985-2003) 1991 1992 1993 1996 1997 1998
16. .556 257-205-2 Chuck Comiskey & John Rigney White Sox (1956-1958)
17. .544 1,396-1,165-53 Al Spalding Cubs (1882-1901) 1882 1885 1886
18. .541 493-419 Stan Bowman NHL (2009-2021) 2010 2013 2015
19. .540 95-81 Jerry Angelo Bears (2001-2011) 2006
20. .540 1,140-972-14 William Wrigley Junior Cubs (1918-1931) 1918 1929
21. .539 248-212-4 Charles Weber Cubs (1938-1940) 1938
22. .534 1,115-968-48 Charles Comiskey White Sox (1901-1914) 1901 1906
23. .532 752-645-293 Tommy Ivan NHL (1954-1977) 1961 1962 1965 1971 1973
24. .527 817-734-3 Ron Schueler White Sox (1991-2000)
25. .521 1,014-931 Ken Williams White Sox (2001-2012) 2005
26. .521 25-23 Rod Graves Bears (1994-1996)
27. .518 450-419 Gar Forman Bulls (2009-2020)
28. .512 84-80 Jon Kovler Bulls (1976-1978)
29. .511 776-742-1 Jed Hoyer Cubs (2012-2021) 2016
30. .511 749-717-2 Ed Short White Sox (August 26, 1961 - August 31, 1970)
31. .508 125-121 Dick Motta Bulls (1973-1976)
32. .504 173-170 Stu Holcomb White Sox (September 1, 1970 - 1972)
33. .502 324-322-1 Jim Frey Cubs (1987-1991)
34. .500 749-748 Jim Hendry Cubs (July 5, 2002 - August 17, 2011)
35. .498 692-697-234 Bob Pulford NHL (1977-1990; November 7, 1992-1997; November 27,1999-2000 & October 25, 2003-2005)
36. .496 610-620-11 Frank Lane White Sox (1948-1955)
37. .496 117-119 Marc Eversley Bulls (2020-2023)
38. .492 151-156-5 Charles Taft Cubs (1914-1915)
39. .489 999-1,042-6 Roland Hemond White Sox (1973-1985)
40. .487 2,285-2,408-27 Harry Grabiner White Sox (1915-1945) 1917 1919
41. .485 72-77-22 Mike Smith NHL (2000- October 24, 2003)
42. .483 211-226-1 Larry Himes Cubs (1992-1994)
43. .481 311-335 Larry Himes White Sox (1987-1990)
44. .479 23-25 Phil Emery Bears (2012-2014)
45. .479 463-504-1 Dallas Green Cubs (1982-1987)
46. .478 661-723-11 James T. Gallagher Cubs (1941-1949) 1945
47. .476 234-258 John Paxson Bulls (2003-2009)
48. .470 148-167 Andy MacPhail Cubs (July 19, 2000 - July 4, 2002)
49. .468 144-164-2 Leslie O'Connor White Sox (1946-1947)
50. .467 413-472 Ed Lynch Cubs (1995-July 18, 2000)
51. .467 1,413-1,616-13 John Holland Cubs (1957-1975)
52. .463 75-87 Salty Saltwell Cubs (1976)
53. .461 700-817 Rick Hahn White Sox (2013-2022)
54. .460 141-166-6 Charles Weeghman Cubs (1916-1917)
55. .458 32-38-1 Herman Franks Cubs (May 22, 1981-1981)
56. .457 74-88 Carter Hawkins Cubs (2022)
57. .456 18-22-5 Doctor David Jones Cardinals (1929-1932)
58. .455 310-371-2 Bob Kennedy Cubs (1977- May 21, 1981)
59. .447 17-21 Randy Bush Cubs (August 18, 2011-2011)
60. .444 258-336-106 Frederic McLaughlin NHL (1927-1942) 1934 1938 1931
61. .442 57-72 Jim Finks Bears (1974-1982)
62. .438 7-9 Dave Wannstedt Bears (1993)
63. .436 143-185 Dale Tallon NHL (2005-2009)
64. .435 64-84-6 George Halas Junior Bears (1963-1973) 1963
65. .434 66-86 Hawk Harrelson White Sox (1986-September 24, 1986)
66. .432 464-612-8 Wid Matthews Cubs (1950-1956)
67. .425 48-65 Ryan Pace Bears (2015-2021)
68. .422 64-93-29 Bob Murray NHL (1997-November 26, 1999)
69. .406 233-341 Rod Thorn Bulls (1978-1985)
70. .397 12-19-3 Charles Bidwell Cardinals (1933-1935)
71. .388 95-150 Dick Klein Bulls (1966-1969)
72. .387 248-424-106 Bill Tobin NHL (1942-1954) 1944
73. .329 54-110 Kyle Davidson NHL (2021-2023)
74. .297 19-45 Mark Hatley Bears (1997-2000)
75. .276 25-68-3 Bill Bidwell Cardinals (1952-1959)
76. .239 26-88-5 Arch Wolfe Cardinals (1936-1946)
77. .176 3-14 Ryan Poles Bears (2022)

Chicago Owner Standings

1. .653 801-421-19 Charles Murphy Cubs (1906-1913) 1907 1908 1906 1910
2. .639 277-155-8 William Hulbert Cubs (1876-1881) 1876 1880 1881
3. .597 463-306-42 George Halas Bears (1920-1982) 1921 1932 1933 1940 1941 1943 1946 1963 1922 1923 1924 1926 1934 1937 1942 1948 1956
4. .574 50-36-8 Chris O'Brien Cardinals (1920-1928) 1925
5. .575 335-246-12 James Hart Cubs (1902-1905)
6. .558 172-136-2 Dorothy Comiskey Rigney White Sox (1957-1958)
7. .545 677-566-2 Arthur Allyn Junior & John Allyn White Sox (June 12, 1961-1968)
8. .544 1,396-1,165-53 Al Spalding Cubs (1882-1901) 1882 1885 1886
9. .540 1,140-972-14 William Wrigley Junior Cubs (1918-1931) 1918 1929
10. .529 1,609-1,432 Jerry Reinsdorf Bulls (1985-2023) 1991 1992 1993 1996 1997 1998
11. .519 967-882-389 Arthur Wirtz NHL (1953-1983) 1961 1962 1965 1971 1973
12. .514 2,391-2,260-62 Charles Comiskey White Sox (1901-1931) 1901 1906 1917 1919
13. .510 633-607 Rocky Wirtz NHL (2007-2023) 2010 2013 2015
14. .504 3,313-3,262 Jerry Reinsdorf White Sox (1981-2023) 2005
15. .504 323-318 Virginia Halas McCaskey Bears (1983-2022) 1985 2006
16. .498 1,079-1,086-1 Thomas S. Ricketts Cubs (2009-2022) 2016
17. .496 1,329-1,350-19 Grace Comiskey White Sox (July 19. 1939 - 1956)
18. .493 242-249 Dick Klein Bulls (1967-1972)
19. .493 27-28-15 The Norris Family NHL (1952-1953)
20. .492 151-156-5 Charles Taft Cubs (1914-1915)
21. .488 569-596-4 Bill Veeck Junior White Sox (1959-June 11, 1961 & 1976-1980) 1959
22. .485 2,134-2,269-6 Tribune Company Cubs (1981-2008)
23. .484 3,403-3,629-37 Philip K. Wrigley Cubs (1932-1976) 1932 1935 1938 1945
24. .480 772-846-220 Bill Wirtz NHL (1983-2007) 1992
25. .469 304-344 William Wrigley III Cubs (1977-1980)
26. .465 522-601-3 John Allyn White Sox (1969-1975)
27. .462 493-573 Arthur Wirtz & Estate Bulls (1972-1985)
28. .460 141-166-6 Charles Weeghman Cubs (1916-1917)
29. .456 519-619-7 J. Louis Comiskey White Sox (1932-July 18, 1939)
30. .456 18-22-5 Doctor David Jones Cardinals (1929-1932)
31. .452 319-400-129 Frederic McLaughlin NHL (1927-1944) 1934 1938 1931 1944
32. .391 59-93-4 Violet Bidwell Wolfner Cardinals (1947-1959) 1947 1948
33. .364 148-281-61 James E. Norris NHL (1944-1952)
34. .275 38-107-8 Charles Bidwell Cardinals (1933-1946)

Note *: Bears, Bulls and the NHL team have identified GMs since inception. Club Owners are listed for Cubs (1876-1937), White Sox (1901-1914) and Cardinals (1920-1935).

 

Edited May 19, 2023 by South Side Hit Men

[The Kids Can Play]

6 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Rick Hahn ranks 53rd among 77 Chicago General Managers across the four major sports. Both Hahn and the White Sox will continue to sink further baring a miraculous turnaround, as the standings below are through the end of last season.

If Hahn continues for several more seasons, the White Sox stand a significant chance of falling below ,500 as a franchise, a sad state only suffered once (1948-1954 seasons, with 1950 the nadar at .493).

Carter Hawkins, Kyle Davidson and Ryan Poles look to gain on Hahn with each and every new season.

Three of the five current owners (McCaskey, Reinsdorf's Sox and Wirtz) are in danger of falling under .500 during their tenure if they continue to have seasons similar to their current / most recent seasons. Ricketts is back to under .500 after last season.

Big Four Chicago Standings

• Decatur / Chicago Bears 1920-2022 786-624-42 .556
• Chicago Cubs 1876-2022 11,161-10,609-161 .513
• Chicago Bulls 1967-2023 2,344-2,254 .510
• Chicago White Sox 1901-2022 9,492-9,390 .503
• Chicago NHL Team 1927-2023 2,866-3,044-814 .487
• Chicago Cardinals 1920-1959 165-258-25 .396

Chicago General Manager Standings *

1. .734 47-17 Jerry Vainisi Bears (1983-1986) 1985
2. .707 28-11-2 Ralph Brizzolara Bears (1942-1945) 1943 1942
3. .680 314-139-34 George Halas Bears (1920-1941 & 1946-1962)  1921 1932 1933 1940 1941 1946 1922 1923 1924 1926 1934 1937 1948 1956
4. .653 801-421-19 Charles Murphy Cubs (1906-1913) 1907 1908 1906 1910
5. .639 277-155-8 William Hulbert Cubs (1876-1881) 1880 1881 999-1,042
6. .604 198-130 Pat Williams Bulls (1969-1973)
7. .600 6-4 Tom Haller White Sox (September 27, 1986-October 5, 1986)
8. .592 90-58-26 Mike Keenan NHL (1990- November 6, 1992) 1992
9. .590 56-39 Bill Tobin Bears (1987-1992)
10. .588 542-379-1 Philip K. Wrigley Cubs (1932-1937) 1932 1935
11. .575 335-246-12 James Hart Cubs (1902-1905)
12. .575 34-25-1 Ray Bennigsen Cardinals (1947-1951) 1947 1948
13. .574 50-36-8 Chris O'Brien Cardinals (1920-1928) 1925
14. .565 246-189-2 Hank Greenberg White Sox (1959-August 25, 1961) 1959
15. .560 808-636 Jerry Krause Bulls (1985-2003) 1991 1992 1993 1996 1997 1998
16. .556 257-205-2 Chuck Comiskey & John Rigney White Sox (1956-1958)
17. .544 1,396-1,165-53 Al Spalding Cubs (1882-1901) 1882 1885
18. .541 493-419 Stan Bowman NHL (2009-2021) 2010 2013 2015
19. .540 95-81 Jerry Angelo Bears (2001-2011) 2006
20. .540 1,140-972-14 William Wrigley Junior Cubs (1918-1931) 1918 1929
21. .539 248-212-4 Charles Weber Cubs (1938-1940) 1938
22. .534 1,115-968-48 Charles Comiskey White Sox (1901-1914) 1906
23. .532 752-645-293 Tommy Ivan NHL (1954-1977) 1961 1962 1965 1971 1973
24. .527 817-734-3 Ron Schueler White Sox (1991-2000)
25. .521 1,014-931 Ken Williams White Sox (2001-2012) 2005
26. .521 25-23 Rod Graves Bears (1994-1996)
27. .518 450-419 Gar Forman Bulls (2009-2020)
28. .512 84-80 Jon Kovler Bulls (1976-1978)
29. .511 776-742-1 Jed Hoyer Cubs (2012-2021) 2016
30. .511 749-717-2 Ed Short White Sox (August 26, 1961 - August 31, 1970)
31. .508 125-121 Dick Motta Bulls (1973-1976)
32. .504 173-170 Stu Holcomb White Sox (September 1, 1970 - 1972)
33. .502 324-322-1 Jim Frey Cubs (1987-1991)
34. .500 749-748 Jim Hendry Cubs (July 5, 2002 - August 17, 2011)
35. .498 692-697-234 Bob Pulford NHL (1977-1990; November 7, 1992-1997; November 27,1999-2000 & October 25, 2003-2005)
36. .496 610-620-11 Frank Lane White Sox (1948-1955)
37. .496 117-119 Marc Eversley Bulls (2020-2023)
38. .492 151-156-5 Charles Taft Cubs (1914-1915)
39. .489 999-1,042-6 Roland Hemond White Sox (1973-1985)
40. .487 2,285-2,408-27 Harry Grabiner White Sox (1915-1945) 1917 1919
41. .485 72-77-22 Mike Smith NHL (2000- October 24, 2003)
42. .483 211-226-1 Larry Himes Cubs (1992-1994)
43. .481 311-335 Larry Himes White Sox (1987-1990)
44. .479 23-25 Phil Emery Bears (2012-2014)
45. .479 463-504-1 Dallas Green Cubs (1982-1987)
46. .478 661-723-11 James T. Gallagher Cubs (1941-1949) 1945
47. .476 234-258 John Paxson Bulls (2003-2009)
48. .470 148-167 Andy MacPhail Cubs (July 19, 2000 - July 4, 2002)
49. .468 144-164-2 Leslie O'Connor White Sox (1946-1947)
50. .467 413-472 Ed Lynch Cubs (1995-July 18, 2000)
51. .467 1,413-1,616-13 John Holland Cubs (1957-1975)
52. .463 75-87 Salty Saltwell Cubs (1976)
53. .461 700-817 Rick Hahn White Sox (2013-2022)
54. .460 141-166-6 Charles Weeghman Cubs (1916-1917)
55. .458 32-38-1 Herman Franks Cubs (May 22, 1981-1981)
56. .457 74-88 Carter Hawkins Cubs (2022)
57. .456 18-22-5 Doctor David Jones Cardinals (1929-1932)
58. .455 310-371-2 Bob Kennedy Cubs (1977- May 21, 1981)
59. .447 17-21 Randy Bush Cubs (August 18, 2011-2011)
60. .444 258-336-106 Frederic McLaughlin NHL (1927-1942) 1934 1938 1931
61. .442 57-72 Jim Finks Bears (1974-1982)
62. .438 7-9 Dave Wannstedt Bears (1993)
63. .436 143-185 Dale Tallon NHL (2005-2009)
64. .435 64-84-6 George Halas Junior Bears (1963-1973) 1963
65. .434 66-86 Hawk Harrelson White Sox (1986-September 24, 1986)
66. .432 464-612-8 Wid Matthews Cubs (1950-1956)
67. .425 48-65 Ryan Pace Bears (2015-2021)
68. .422 64-93-29 Bob Murray NHL (1997-November 26, 1999)
69. .406 233-341 Rod Thorn Bulls (1978-1985)
70. .397 12-19-3 Charles Bidwell Cardinals (1933-1935)
71. .388 95-150 Dick Klein Bulls (1966-1969)
72. .387 248-424-106 Bill Tobin NHL (1942-1954) 1944
73. .329 54-110 Kyle Davidson NHL (2021-2023)
74. .297 19-45 Mark Hatley Bears (1997-2000)
75. .276 25-68-3 Bill Bidwell Cardinals (1952-1959)
76. .239 26-88-5 Arch Wolfe Cardinals (1936-1946)
77. .176 3-14 Ryan Poles Bears (2022)

Chicago Owner Standings

1. .653 801-421-19 Charles Murphy Cubs (1906-1913) 1907 1908 1906 1910
2. .639 277-155-8 William Hulbert Cubs (1876-1881) 1880 1881
3. .597 463-306-42 George Halas Bears (1920-1982) 1921 1932 1933 1940 1941 1943 1946 1963 1922 1923 1924 1926 1934 1937 1942 1948 1956
4. .574 50-36-8 Chris O'Brien Cardinals (1920-1928) 1925
5. .575 335-246-12 James Hart Cubs (1902-1905)
6. .558 172-136-2 Dorothy Comiskey Rigney White Sox (1957-1958)
7. .545 677-566-2 Arthur Allyn Junior & John Allyn White Sox (June 12, 1961-1968)
8. .544 1,396-1,165-53 Al Spalding Cubs (1882-1901) 1882 1885
9. .540 1,140-972-14 William Wrigley Junior Cubs (1918-1931) 1918 1929
10. .529 1,609-1,432 Jerry Reinsdorf Bulls (1985-2023) 1991 1992 1993 1996 1997 1998
11. .519 967-882-389 Arthur Wirtz NHL (1953-1983) 1961 1962 1965 1971 1973
12. .514 2,391-2,260-62 Charles Comiskey White Sox (1901-1931) 1906 1917 1919
13. .510 633-607 Rocky Wirtz NHL (2007-2023) 2010 2013 2015
14. .504 3,313-3,262 Jerry Reinsdorf White Sox (1981-2023) 2005
15. .504 323-318 Virginia Halas McCaskey Bears (1983-2022) 1985 2006
16. .498 1,079-1,086-1 Thomas S. Ricketts Cubs (2009-2022) 2016
17. .496 1,329-1,350-19 Grace Comiskey White Sox (July 19. 1939 - 1956)
18. .493 242-249 Dick Klein Bulls (1967-1972)
19. .493 27-28-15 The Norris Family NHL (1952-1953)
20. .492 151-156-5 Charles Taft Cubs (1914-1915)
21. .488 569-596-4 Bill Veeck Junior White Sox (1959-June 11, 1961 & 1976-1980) 1959
22. .485 2,134-2,269-6 Tribune Company Cubs (1981-2008)
23. .484 3,403-3,629-37 Philip K. Wrigley Cubs (1932-1976) 1932 1935 1938 1945
24. .480 772-846-220 Bill Wirtz NHL (1983-2007) 1992
25. .469 304-344 William Wrigley III Cubs (1977-1980)
26. .465 522-601-3 John Allyn White Sox (1969-1975)
27. .462 493-573 Arthur Wirtz & Estate Bulls (1972-1985)
28. .460 141-166-6 Charles Weeghman Cubs (1916-1917)
29. .456 519-619-7 J. Louis Comiskey White Sox (1932-July 18, 1939)
30. .456 18-22-5 Doctor David Jones Cardinals (1929-1932)
31. .452 319-400-129 Frederic McLaughlin NHL (1927-1944) 1934 1938 1931 1944
32. .391 59-93-4 Violet Bidwell Wolfner Cardinals (1947-1959) 1947 1948
33. .364 148-281-61 James E. Norris NHL (1944-1952)
34. .275 38-107-8 Charles Bidwell Cardinals (1933-1946)

Note *: Bears, Bulls and the NHL team have identified GMs since inception. Club Owners are listed for Cubs (1876-1937), White Sox (1901-1914) and Cardinals (1920-1935).

 

Wow, some interesting reading there!

Not to get off the baseball and White Sox discussion, but since this is about all 5 teams in Chicago GM history, I noticed a few ironic and humorous side notes from that top 77 GM's :

1. #61 - Jim Finks - Bears 1974-1982

It was Jim Finks who was responsible for putting the great '85 Bears Super Bowl team together

Finks brought in the following players on that 1985 Super Bowl championship team roster:

Walter Payton - HOF
Dan Hampton - HOF
Mike Singletary - HOF
Otis Wilson 
Steve McMichael
Mike Richardson
Dave Duerson 
Keith Van Horne
Jay Hilgenberg
Kurt Becker
Jim McMahon
Emery Moorehead
Gary Fencik
Matt Suhey
Ken Margerum
Dennis Gentry
Maury Buford

2. #63 - Dale Tallon 2005-2009

It was Tallon who brought in the initial great Blackhawk players that won that first Stanley Cup title in 2010.

Tallon brought in the following players all on that first of three Stanley Cup titles: 

Jonathan Toews
Patrick Kane
Marian Hossa
Patrick Sharp
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Brent Sopel
Jordan Hendry
Andrew Ladd
Kris Versteeg
Cristobal Huet
Brian Campbell
Ben Eager
Tomas Kopecky

3. #69 - Rod Thorn - 1978-1985

Drafted Michael Jordan who is only the greatest NBA basketball player ever and probably greatest athlete of all time. I get why Thorn doesn't get much credit because he did luck into Jordan falling in his lap, when Portland made the dumbest draft pick blunder in NBA history and took Sam Bowie over Jordan at #2.

4. # 77 - Ryan Poles 2022- 

He might be last for now, but only because he inherited one of the worst rosters in the NFL. I know there are no guarantees going forward, but IMO from what Poles has done so far in the draft, trades and free agents signings, he could be moving up a lot higher in the next several years. At least that's what all Bears fans hope for.

[reiks12]

I hate Rick Hahn and his smugness 

[joejoesox]

Think the Sox hitters would ever be smart enough to do something like this? (Narrator: Of course not.)

 

[South Side Hit Men]

53 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said:

Wow, some interesting reading there!

Not to get off the baseball and White Sox discussion, but since this is about all 5 teams in Chicago GM history, I noticed a few ironic and humorous side notes from that top 77 GM's :

1. #61 - Jim Finks - Bears 1974-1982

It was Jim Finks who was responsible for putting the great '85 Bears Super Bowl team together

Finks brought in the following players on that 1985 Super Bowl championship team roster:

Walter Payton - HOF
Dan Hampton - HOF
Mike Singletary - HOF
Otis Wilson 
Steve McMichael
Mike Richardson
Dave Duerson 
Keith Van Horne
Jay Hilgenberg
Kurt Becker
Jim McMahon
Emery Moorehead
Gary Fencik
Matt Suhey
Ken Margerum
Dennis Gentry
Maury Buford

2. #63 - Dale Tallon 2005-2009

It was Tallon who brought in the initial great Blackhawk players that won that first Stanley Cup title in 2010.

Tallon brought in the following players all on that first of three Stanley Cup titles: 

Jonathan Toews
Patrick Kane
Marian Hossa
Patrick Sharp
Niklas Hjalmarsson
Brent Sopel
Jordan Hendry
Andrew Ladd
Kris Versteeg
Cristobal Huet
Brian Campbell
Ben Eager
Tomas Kopecky

3. #69 - Rod Thorn - 1978-1985

Drafted Michael Jordan who is only the greatest NBA basketball player ever and probably greatest athlete of all time. I get why Thorn doesn't get much credit because he did luck into Jordan falling in his lap, when Portland made the dumbest draft pick blunder in NBA history and took Sam Bowie over Jordan at #2.

4. # 77 - Ryan Poles 2022- 

He might be last for now, but only because he inherited one of the worst rosters in the NFL. I know there are no guarantees going forward, but IMO from what Poles has done so far in the draft, trades and free agents signings, he could be moving up a lot higher in the next several years. At least that's what all Bears fans hope for.

Solid observations. While compiling the lists, I learned quite a bit.

Thought the story of the Cubs' most successful owner, Charles Murphy, was excellent.

Wasn't surprised the Tribune had the longest stretch (entire 28 seasons) without a championship or runner up team.

Didn't realize the Cardinals were as bad as they were. Still glad they played in Comiskey and won two championships. f*** the bears, they shouldn't be allowed to stay "Chicago" if they move to the suburbs. As pathetic as the "New York" football Giants and Jets, both of whom spent more time in East Rutherford, New Jersey than any other location.

Will be interesting if Reinsdorf, McCaskey and/or Wirtz will finish their ownership below .500, all are at the precipice. 

[shago]

22 hours ago, reiks12 said:

I hate Rick Hahn

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[The Kids Can Play]

23 hours ago, reiks12 said:

I hate Rick Hahn and his smugness 

Is there anyone who doesn't hate Rick Hahn other than Jerry and his family?

[Snopek]

20 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said:

Is there anyone who doesn't hate Rick Hahn other than Jerry and his family?

Sheesh, some of y’all take sports fandom way too seriously.

[The Kids Can Play]

14 minutes ago, Snopek said:

Sheesh, some of y’all take sports fandom way too seriously.

Hmm, are you saying we are not suppose to hate Rick Hahn and instead like/love him for his accomplishments:

1. Complete debacle of the 2016 rebuild.

2, Horrible 2023 roster with 3rd worst record in MLB.

3. 26th ranked farm system. 

4. Terrible misuse of the team salary with many of bad FA signings. Sox have the 12th highest ML payroll at 185 million, which should be more than enough to be competitive. Yet we are one the worst teams in the league.

5. Miserable history of bad trades giving away good young prospects.

6. In his 10 years as Sox GM, his overall record is significantly under .500 with only one payoffs appearance and zero playoff wins. 

Yes I am a die-hard Sox fan and I take my fandom seriously. However I don't enjoy watching my team constantly lose and not be anywhere close to a playoff team. When my owner who I also hate, keeps Hahn employed all these years with these numerous failures, when all other 29 team owners would have fired Hahn by now...yes I do hate Rick Hahn. 

For further clarification on why I hate him. I disrespect Hahn for being so arrogant and smug, like making comments during the early rebuild, "We are building a baseball team to win multiple championships" and "See me at the parade!". I'm sorry, but when you are that cocky and can't back it up, you bet I have a serious problem that he is still around.

 

 

[Snopek]

1 hour ago, The Kids Can Play said:

Hmm, are you saying we are not suppose to hate Rick Hahn and instead like/love him for his accomplishments:

1. Complete debacle of the 2016 rebuild.

2, Horrible 2023 roster with 3rd worst record in MLB.

3. 26th ranked farm system. 

4. Terrible misuse of the team salary with many of bad FA signings. Sox have the 12th highest ML payroll at 185 million, which should be more than enough to be competitive. Yet we are one the worst teams in the league.

5. Miserable history of bad trades giving away good young prospects.

6. In his 10 years as Sox GM, his overall record is significantly under .500 with only one payoffs appearance and zero playoff wins. 

Yes I am a die-hard Sox fan and I take my fandom seriously. However I don't enjoy watching my team constantly lose and not be anywhere close to a playoff team. When my owner who I also hate, keeps Hahn employed all these years with these numerous failures, when all other 29 team owners would have fired Hahn by now...yes I do hate Rick Hahn. 

For further clarification on why I hate him. I disrespect Hahn for being so arrogant and smug, like making comments during the early rebuild, "We are building a baseball team to win multiple championships" and "See me at the parade!". I'm sorry, but when you are that cocky and can't back it up, you bet I have a serious problem that he is still around.

 

 

You just listed a bunch of reasons why he’s a terrible GM (minus the quotes - it continues to be mind boggling why people get so offended by those.)

I hate the job he’s done, but holy f*** the dude hasn’t personally wronged me. He’s probably not an awful person 🤷‍♂️

[The Kids Can Play]

2 hours ago, Snopek said:

You just listed a bunch of reasons why he’s a terrible GM (minus the quotes - it continues to be mind boggling why people get so offended by those.)

I hate the job he’s done, but holy f*** the dude hasn’t personally wronged me. He’s probably not an awful person 🤷‍♂️

Actually he has wronged you and all the Sox fans. Not only has he been bad, but he has been allowed to keep his job being bad for way too long.

You can judge him as a nice guy but more people in here I think  hate him versus like him.

We will agree to disagree, because nothing will change my mind as long as Hahn is the Sox GM.

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, Snopek said:

You just listed a bunch of reasons why he’s a terrible GM (minus the quotes - it continues to be mind boggling why people get so offended by those.)

I hate the job he’s done, but holy f*** the dude hasn’t personally wronged me. He’s probably not an awful person 🤷‍♂️

Nobody who went to Harvard Law School in the Class of 1996 liked the guy back then either. 

[Lip Man 1]

https://www.southsidesox.com/2023/5/21/23729824/white-sox-hey-rick-hahn-is-this-what-you-wanted

[CentralChamps21]

I'm not saying that Rick Hahn doesn't need to go, but he drafted/signed/acquired Moncada, Anderson, Vaughn, Jimenez, Robert, Grandal, Giolito, Cease, Giolito, and Kopech, and if all of those guys performed to their ability this would be a 95+ win team. How much can we really say is on him that these guys have been injured and/or underperforming?

[The Kids Can Play]

2 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said:

I'm not saying that Rick Hahn doesn't need to go, but he drafted/signed/acquired Moncada, Anderson, Vaughn, Jimenez, Robert, Grandal, Giolito, Cease, Giolito, and Kopech, and if all of those guys performed to their ability this would be a 95+ win team. How much can we really say is on him that these guys have been injured and/or underperforming?

You are missing the point of why Rick Hahn sucks and needs to be fired.

Yes he made a few good trades and brought in some current key players. Early on in the rebuild the Sox farm system was highly ranked. However once you bring those prospects up to the major league level, the GM and front office are suppose to continue re-stocking the farm system. The good teams with the top ranked farm systems like the Rays and Dodgers take up prospects every year. Yet they continue restock their farm systems and keep them ranked in the top 5-10 each year. Hahn's farm system has been ranked near the bottom for the last three years.

Every team has injuries. Look at the Dodgers for example, they are bringing up two of their AAA starters for tonight and tomorrows' games against the Braves to replace two of their current starters that are injured. 

Edited May 22, 2023 by The Kids Can Play

[T R U]

On 5/20/2023 at 1:12 PM, Snopek said:

You just listed a bunch of reasons why he’s a terrible GM (minus the quotes - it continues to be mind boggling why people get so offended by those.)

I hate the job he’s done, but holy f*** the dude hasn’t personally wronged me. He’s probably not an awful person 🤷‍♂️

There is a difference between sports hate and making it personal. I sports hate plenty of people, Rick Hahn, Tom Brady, the Buffalo Bills. That doesn't mean im throwing darts at his picture and wishing him harm.

[SoCalChiSox]

On 5/20/2023 at 2:07 PM, caulfield12 said:

Nobody who went to Harvard Law School in the Class of 1996 liked the guy back then either. 

Despite having an awful year, at least RH isn't in as bad a spot as AJ Preller...

Absolutely massive budget with multiple legit stars and under .500...lulz. 

 

Edited May 22, 2023 by SoCalChiSox

[Harold's Leg Lift]

15 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:

Despite having an awful year, at least RH isn't in as bad a spot as AJ Preller...

Absolutely massive budget with multiple legit stars and under .500...lulz. 

 

The Padres played in the NLCS last season and are currently 5th in attendance averaging 38,000 a game.  The Sox missed the playoffs last year and are currently 23rd in attendance averaging 18,000 a game.  You're laughing at the wrong guy.

[DirtySox]

I keep waiting for Harold to post an eyeballs emoji in this thread when I see him post. Alas.

[Harold's Leg Lift]

3 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

I keep waiting for Harold to post an eyeballs emoji in this thread when I see him post. Alas.

I am too, Buddy.  I am too.....

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said:

Despite having an awful year, at least RH isn't in as bad a spot as AJ Preller...

Absolutely massive budget with multiple legit stars and under .500...lulz. 

 

Which will provide yet another Rick Hahn reason to never go for it... 

Other than Machado massovely underperforming and being out now... the real problem is similar to the White Sox where they're just not getting enough from the bottom of the order and the worst RISP in over 100 years in MLB, under .200 in fact. 

Nola, Grisham, Cruz, Kim, Carpenter, Azocar, Engel, Dixon have all sucked.  Losing Campusano as back up catcher also has had a big impact. 

The starting pitching doesn't have a dominant guy like Musgrove and Snell second half in 2022.  Tatis is doing okay and surprisingly good in RF, but striking out way too much... which comes from nearly 600 days with no big league at-bats after multiple offseason surgeries on wrist and shoulder. 

 

There's one relatively easy escape valve... which is putting Soto back on the market again, and maybe Hader if they're out of the WC.  

That said, Preller and Melvin both being gone seems inevitable if they miss the postseason. 

 

 

[South Side Hit Men]

Keep up the good work White Sox fans.
 

This and only this might possibly impact Hahn’s status if sales numbers accelerate downward.

 

 

[caulfield12]

15 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Keep up the good work White Sox fans.
 

This and only this might possibly impact Hahn’s status if sales numbers accelerate downward.

 

 

The worst part is they fought from 2016-2021 to get to that playoff series with the Astros...the following year, jumped from 1.6 million to 2+ million in anticipation of having a World Series contender, and are now about to give it all back and then some over the course of this current/ongoing three year period (will compare to 2019 and not the Covid year, obviously).

 

2019

	23 Chicago White Sox 76 1,629,636 21,442 0.0 81 24,384 0.0 157 22,960 0.0 24 Oakland 81 1,662,211 20,521 0.0 81 27,615 0.0 162 24,068 0.0 25 Detroit 80 1,501,430 18,767 0.0 79 24,826 0.0 159 21,778 0.0 26 Kansas City 80 1,479,659 18,495 0.0 80 25,072 0.0 160 21,783 0.0 27 Pittsburgh 81 1,491,429 18,412 0.0 81 32,070 0.0 162 25,241 0.0 28 Baltimore 80 1,307,807 16,347 0.0 78 25,484 0.0 158 20,858 0.0 29 Tampa Bay 80 1,178,735 14,734 0.0 79 26,067 0.0 159 20,365 0.0 30 Miami 81 811,302 10,016 0.0 80 27,812 0.0 161 18,858 0.0
	2018 20 Minnesota 80 1,959,197 24,489 63.6 81 27,017 64.4 161 25,761 64.0 21 Cleveland 80 1,926,701 24,083 55.4 81 26,088 64.2 161 25,092 59.7 22 Detroit 80 1,856,970 23,212 56.3 80 26,157 62.4 160 24,685 59.3 23 Kansas City 81 1,665,107 20,556 54.2 80 24,262 57.7 161 22,398 56.1 24 Cincinnati 81 1,629,356 20,115 47.5 81 29,918 70.3 162 25,017 59.0 25 Chicago White Sox 80 1,608,817 20,110 50.1 80 26,240 62.8 160 23,175 56.6 26 Baltimore 78 1,564,192 20,053 44.1 81 27,204 64.2 159 23,696 54.0 27 Oakland 81 1,573,616 19,427 55.4 80 28,748 65.5 161 24,058 61.0 28 Pittsburgh 78 1,465,316 18,786 49.0 81 31,288 72.7 159 25,155 61.7 29 Tampa Bay 81 1,154,973 14,258 41.8 80 26,381 60.8 161 20,282 52.4 30 Miami 81 811,104 10,013 26.7 79 28,917 67.2 160 19,347 48.1                                               2017 21 Minnesota 80 2,051,279 25,640 64.9 80 27,797 65.5 160 26,719 65.2 22 Cleveland 81 2,048,138 25,285 58.2 80 27,729 66.3 161 26,499 62.2 23 Baltimore 81 2,028,424 25,042 55.1 81 29,457 69.7 162 27,250 62.1 24 Philadelphia 79 1,905,354 24,118 55.3 81 30,940 72.3 160 27,571 63.8 25 Pittsburgh 81 1,919,447 23,696 62.5 81 32,633 75.3 162 28,164 69.4 26 Cincinnati 81 1,836,917 22,677 53.6 81 32,094 74.8 162 27,386 64.3 27 Chicago White Sox 79 1,629,470 20,626 50.8 81 28,443 66.4 160 24,583 58.9 28 Miami 81 1,651,997 20,395 54.2 80 29,160 67.4 161 24,750 61.2 29 Oakland 80 1,475,721 18,446 52.6 80 29,466 67.1 160 23,956 60.7 30 Tampa Bay 80 1,253,619 15,670 45.6 81 29,898 68.8 161 22,828 58.6

 

 

[FloydBannister1983]

20 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said:

I'm not saying that Rick Hahn doesn't need to go, but he drafted/signed/acquired Moncada, Anderson, Vaughn, Jimenez, Robert, Grandal, Giolito, Cease, Giolito, and Kopech, and if all of those guys performed to their ability this would be a 95+ win team. How much can we really say is on him that these guys have been injured and/or underperforming?

Counterpoint: these guys you listed were all overrated to begin with and Sox fans bought team propaganda.

When it’s an average team at best for two years maybe they are in fact performing to their ability.