CentralChamps21 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 100% of the time. Doesn't matter who's batting. Bunt the runner to 3rd. Put pressure on the defense. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superchops70 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 if you're hoping for any intelligent decisions whatsoever, you're gonna be waiting a long, long time 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 At least Hahn and others aren’t self conscious within the organization - everyone in a position of power is a moron! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 https://theanalyst.com/na/2023/03/should-mlb-teams-be-bunting-the-ghost-runner-to-third/ While portraying Oakland A’s general manager Billy Beane in the movie version of Moneyball, Brad Pitt explained this line of thinking further: “If someone bunts on us, just pick it up and throw it to first. They’re giving you an out – just giving it to you. Take it. Say thank you.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuban_sammiches Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Every situation is different but bottom of the inning and you are playing for just one run sure sounds like a good idea. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 The batters up in the 10th were Robert (walked), Eloy, Grandal, and Burger. I can’t imagine that any of these guys regularly practice bunting, asking them to do so is just taking the bat out of their hands. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted July 7, 2023 Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Texsox said: https://theanalyst.com/na/2023/03/should-mlb-teams-be-bunting-the-ghost-runner-to-third/ While portraying Oakland A’s general manager Billy Beane in the movie version of Moneyball, Brad Pitt explained this line of thinking further: “If someone bunts on us, just pick it up and throw it to first. They’re giving you an out – just giving it to you. Take it. Say thank you.” Bunting greatly decreases the expected number of runs for the inning, BUT bunting a runner from 2nd to 3rd with 0 outs greatly increases your chances of scoring one run in the inning, so a tie game in the bottom of 9th or extras is an exception to the rule. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted July 7, 2023 Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: The batters up in the 10th were Robert (walked), Eloy, Grandal, and Burger. I can’t imagine that any of these guys regularly practice bunting, asking them to do so is just taking the bat out of their hands. They should all be regularly practicing bunting, and we've seen many times what leaving the bat in their hands has produced. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Just pitiful extra innings execution from this group. I'd honestly feel more confident with the bottom of the lineup coming up in the extras cause they can lay down a bunt. Robert and Eloy almost certainly would pop up a bunt if they tried, and seems they strike out, ground out to left side or pop out 95% of the time in those situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said: They should all be regularly practicing bunting, and we've seen many times what leaving the bat in their hands has produced. I have zero interest in Eloy, Burger, or Robert practicing bunting. They have better things to work on. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 I would have preferred moving man over too. Not because I think we could execute a sac fly, but because I think the highest chance we had of scoring a run was by far a passed ball, which is 80% of our offense. Failed bunt is worth it, still the highest probability play was toronto accidentally throwing a ball in the dirt or hitting the umpire in the head. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, bmags said: I would have preferred moving man over too. Not because I think we could execute a sac fly, but because I think the highest chance we had of scoring a run was by far a passed ball, which is 80% of our offense. Failed bunt is worth it, still the highest probability play was toronto accidentally throwing a ball in the dirt or hitting the umpire in the head. I laughed - not because its funny - because it is so pathetically true. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Balta1701 said: The batters up in the 10th were Robert (walked), Eloy, Grandal, and Burger. I can’t imagine that any of these guys regularly practice bunting, asking them to do so is just taking the bat out of their hands. Well that’s on the manager and coaches, we now have new rules where the bunt in the bottom of the 10th of a tie game is something that should be an automatic strategy, so many good things can happen with a bunt with one out, passed balls, wild pitches, sacrifice flies and errors and you don’t need a hit to win the game. Every position player should be working on bunting but hey I’ve only been following Baseball and the Sox for 71 years, WTF do I know. Edited July 7, 2023 by The Mighty Mite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 16 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said: 100% of the time. Doesn't matter who's batting. Bunt the runner to 3rd. Put pressure on the defense. Without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: Well that’s on the manager and coaches, we now have new rules where the bunt in the bottom of the 10th of a tie game is something that should be an automatic strategy, so many good things can happen with a bunt with one out, passed balls, wild pitches, sacrifice flies and errors and you don’t need a hit to win the game. Everybody position player should be working on bunting but hey I’ve only been following Baseball and the Sox for 71 years, WTF do I know. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfaninfl Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 I am as hard on Pedro as anyone but you just don’t have Eloy bunt. You have to trust him with the bat in his hands. I was actually more worried about him grounding into a DP with Romano’s slider. It was a tough spot and what did it matter anyway? Grandal would have struck out anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, CentralChamps21 said: Bunting greatly decreases the expected number of runs for the inning, BUT bunting a runner from 2nd to 3rd with 0 outs greatly increases your chances of scoring one run in the inning, so a tie game in the bottom of 9th or extras is an exception to the rule. I think the main consideration was the hitter was Eloy that has been hitting well lately, and that Grandal, who has sucked, was hitting next. Grandal hitting 5 th in this game hurt the Sox. 2 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said: Bunting greatly decreases the expected number of runs for the inning, BUT bunting a runner from 2nd to 3rd with 0 outs greatly increases your chances of scoring one run in the inning, so a tie game in the bottom of 9th or extras is an exception to the rule. we only needed one run. Could have tried bunting one pitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 23 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Really? Fucking A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG23SoxFan Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Balta1701 said: The batters up in the 10th were Robert (walked), Eloy, Grandal, and Burger. I can’t imagine that any of these guys regularly practice bunting, asking them to do so is just taking the bat out of their hands. Yes, after walking Robert that would've meant Eloy is the guy to bunt and he would've failed miserably. On the other hand, Eloy struck out anyways so trying to bunt probably wouldn't have been any worse of an outcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Pasqua Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 29 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Really? Yessir. 100% of the time you bunt and don't take the bunt off even with 2 strikes. You want fundamental baseball, go check out David Bell & the Cincinnati Reds. They would've bunted, it would've been 2nd & 3rd and 1 out. Reds hitters would've been looking fastball knowing pitcher/catcher wouldn't want a wild pitch. It's style of play. The White Sox are absolutely horrendous fundamentally to the point they don't even care. It's one thing to make it to the big leagues, it's another to be humbled and constantly work on improving fundamentals. I'm done with this organization as I feel as if fundamental baseball isn't in the cards for decades. It's one thing to be a fan of a team, and another to be a good fan of fundamental baseball 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfaninfl Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, RG23SoxFan said: Yes, after walking Robert that would've meant Eloy is the guy to bunt and he would've failed miserably. On the other hand, Eloy struck out anyways so trying to bunt probably wouldn't have been any worse of an outcome. Well, he could have popped a bunt into a triple play. 😊 Seriously, how many times in a season would anyone ask Eloy or any hitter with his skill set to bunt? You just can’t ask a hitter to do something he does not do or, yeah, a worse catastrophe could happen. Edited July 7, 2023 by soxfaninfl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfaninfl Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, Dan Pasqua said: Yessir. 100% of the time you bunt and don't take the bunt off even with 2 strikes. You want fundamental baseball, go check out David Bell & the Cincinnati Reds. They would've bunted, it would've been 2nd & 3rd and 1 out. Reds hitters would've been looking fastball knowing pitcher/catcher wouldn't want a wild pitch. It's style of play. The White Sox are absolutely horrendous fundamentally to the point they don't even care. It's one thing to make it to the big leagues, it's another to be humbled and constantly work on improving fundamentals. I'm done with this organization as I feel as if fundamental baseball isn't in the cards for decades. It's one thing to be a fan of a team, and another to be a good fan of fundamental baseball The Reds would not ask Joey Votto to bunt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Pasqua Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Two guys are standing in line to get a job, one guy says I can bunt and other says I can't. Who gets the job? Guess which guy the White Sox org is going to hire? Two guys are standing in line to get a job, one guy says with enthusiasm yes I want to practice bunting and I will do it everyday even though I'm tired and it's difficult, the other just says takes the excuse route and doesn't get to day 2 because it takes effort. Guess which guy the White Sox org is going to hire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Pasqua Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, soxfaninfl said: The Reds would not ask Joey Votto to bunt. You are correct. He wouldn't have needed asking. The crowd would've been chanting JOEY and he would've sacrificed himself. Even if he wouldn't be comfortable in that spot he definitely would've given his best effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Balta1701 said: I have zero interest in Eloy, Burger, or Robert practicing bunting. They have better things to work on. Every single player bunts a few times in the first round of BP. Every day. It takes nothing away from practice time. There is one time when bunting makes sense: needing one run to win in the bottom of an inning with nobody out and runners on 1st and 2nd. It keeps you out of a double play and increases the odds of scoring a run (the only run needed) by about 5%. Takes it from like 65 to 70% I believe. Eloy isn't prime Barry Bonds. Hell, he's not even prime Maglio. Get the damn bunt down, get the guy over to 3rd and win the game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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