July 15, 20232 yr Hes 27. Hes not a rookie anymore. This org is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Hes not a starter. Put him back in the bullpen where he belongs and where he has had success.
July 15, 20232 yr If he can't throw strikes he's not even good as a relief pitcher. He's simply missed to much time, had to many injuries, had to much off the field drama and the Sox haven't done him a lot of favors with his development. Another failed "core" player.
July 15, 20232 yr At this point, there is not much you can expect out of Kopech. He has had his brilliant moments, but he hasn't shown that he is a consistent major league pitcher. The team mishandled him from the start. This game was just plain bad.
July 15, 20232 yr Can someone please remind me why Katz is such a good PC? I've forgotten why I was so high on him a couple of years ago.
July 15, 20232 yr Giolito, Lynn & Clevinger will all be gone after this season. There's no one in Birmingham or Charlotte who's any better than Kopech for 2024. It'll be dumpster diving again in free agency to fill out the rotation. Even if Kopech is a ~5 ERA guy who can barely go 5 innings, that would make him the 2nd best starter in the organization for 2024. He has to stay in the rotation for the time being, even if he'll eventually transition back to being a reliever again
July 15, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: Giolito, Lynn & Clevinger will all be gone after this season. There's no one in Birmingham or Charlotte who's any better than Kopech for 2024. It'll be dumpster diving again in free agency to fill out the rotation. Even if Kopech is a ~5 ERA guy who can barely go 5 innings, that would make him the 2nd best starter in the organization for 2024. He has to stay in the rotation for the time being, even if he'll eventually transition back to being a reliever again What a depressing reality! And the hope that trading will bring in anyone capable of helping next season is slim so long as Hahn is doing those trades.
July 15, 20232 yr He would probably be a fucking Cy Young candidate in another organization. That's not even a compliment to Kopech as much as it is an indictment on this piece of s%*# organization.
July 15, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: Giolito, Lynn & Clevinger will all be gone after this season. There's no one in Birmingham or Charlotte who's any better than Kopech for 2024. It'll be dumpster diving again in free agency to fill out the rotation. Even if Kopech is a ~5 ERA guy who can barely go 5 innings, that would make him the 2nd best starter in the organization for 2024. He has to stay in the rotation for the time being, even if he'll eventually transition back to being a reliever again Garrett Crochet will be the starting rotation in 2024.
July 15, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Garrett Crochet will be the starting rotation in 2024. Because Chris Sale succeeded...once...until eventually falling apart.
July 15, 20232 yr 41 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Garrett Crochet will be the starting rotation in 2024. Possibly, though what are the odds he exceeds 10 starts?
July 15, 20232 yr When he has any semblance of command he is a starter, and a good one. When he does not, he is not useful in any way. Why would not making it through an inning make people think he’s a good reliever? He’s gone through this before, hopefully he can turn it around. I also hope it isn’t because he’s hurt a lot worse than thought.
July 15, 20232 yr The Sox should option Kopech down to AAA to let him work through his s%*# and see if they can claw back a year of control somehow. The fact we’re still trying to make him a positive fWAR starter who can handle +160 innings when he’s 2 1/2 years from free agency is remarkable.
July 15, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: The Sox should option Kopech down to AAA to let him work through his s%*# and see if they can claw back a year of control somehow. The fact we’re still trying to make him a positive fWAR starter who can handle +160 innings when he’s 2 1/2 years from free agency is remarkable. Can you still option a guy who has already had an arbitration contract?
July 15, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Can you still option a guy who has already had an arbitration contract? Yup, up until they have five years of service time. Just unclear how long he’d need to be down for to claw back a year.
July 15, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, Rounding_Third said: Can someone please remind me why Katz is such a good PC? I've forgotten why I was so high on him a couple of years ago. He isn't good as a pitching coach and I've been saying that for awhile now.
July 15, 20232 yr 43 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Yup, up until they have five years of service time. Just unclear how long he’d need to be down for to claw back a year. Now would be the time while you still have guys in the rotation before they’re traded.
July 15, 20232 yr They need to concentrate on developing him as closer to ressurect him and save his career.
July 15, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, The Kids Can Play said: He isn't good as a pitching coach and I've been saying that for awhile now. Bruh. Can you fix your damn signature so it doesn't have 10 empty lines after it? Every post you make stretches out the replies and it drives me bonkers. Edited July 15, 20232 yr by DirtySox
July 15, 20232 yr Author 2 hours ago, Dick Allen said: When he has any semblance of command he is a starter, and a good one. When he does not, he is not useful in any way. Why would not making it through an inning make people think he’s a good reliever? He’s gone through this before, hopefully he can turn it around. I also hope it isn’t because he’s hurt a lot worse than thought. 6.16 4.49 5.88 His FIP per season as a starting pitcher He was incredible against the mighty Guardians, Royals, and Tigers I will give you that. Edited July 15, 20232 yr by reiks12
July 15, 20232 yr This team has derailed so many careers. I feel bad for so many players that have come through this dumpster fire of an organization from 2013 and on.
July 15, 20232 yr Keegan Thompson, come on down. You’re Michael Kopech’s number one comparable pitcher. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kopecmi01.shtml Similar Pitchers Keegan Thompson (984.8) Cisco Carlos (984.0) Bill Zepp (983.9) Oscar Horstmann (981.9) José Cisnero (980.0) Cactus Keck (979.9) Gene Pentz (979.6) Francisco Oliveras (979.5) Mike Strahler (979.1) Jeremy Hernandez (979.0)
July 15, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, YonderLaroche said: They need to concentrate on developing him as closer to ressurect him and save his career. Worked well with Lopez. He has to get that crisp slider back...for one thing. Just can't imagine him holding up as a closer though, purely from a mental standpoint. Gets rattled too easily.
July 15, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, ScootsMcGoots said: This team has derailed so many careers. I feel bad for so many players that have come through this dumpster fire of an organization from 2013 and on. Even Keppy/Keppinger? LaRoche? Escobar? Holland? Jay/Alonso? Encarnacion? Beckham and Bonifacio?
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