The Twins turned Griffin Jax into Taj Bradley.

Meanwhile, all I hear about with the Sox bad returns is that there's nothing Getz can do about that.

If they go through this season with everyone regressing and lose 100 games again, I would like to think that firing Getz comes to the table. Especially if you have Ishbia in JR's ear.

18 minutes ago, T R U said:

If they go through this season with everyone regressing and lose 100 games again, I would like to think that firing Getz comes to the table. Especially if you have Ishbia in JR's ear.

Clean house entirely, except maybe Shirley

2 hours ago, T R U said:

If they go through this season with everyone regressing and lose 100 games again, I would like to think that firing Getz comes to the table. Especially if you have Ishbia in JR's ear.

I'd be all for that move but with labor unrest and the possibility of a long lockout causing 2027 regular season games to go by the board, I can't see JR doing something like what you are speculating on.

2 hours ago, T R U said:

If they go through this season with everyone regressing and lose 100 games again, I would like to think that firing Getz comes to the table. Especially if you have Ishbia in JR's ear.

In interviews last fall, Ishbia made clear that JR is in charge and that he's not involved in or second-guessing operations of the team.

I can only imagine that doesn't extend to a long-term issue like getting a new stadium designed and built, but as much as I'd like to see some house cleaning leading to more competent leadership asap, I just don't see that happening until at least 2029.

13 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

In interviews last fall, Ishbia made clear that JR is in charge and that he's not involved in or second-guessing operations of the team.

I can only imagine that doesn't extend to a long-term issue like getting a new stadium designed and built, but as much as I'd like to see some house cleaning leading to more competent leadership asap, I just don't see that happening until at least 2029.

He has to say that to keep the IRS at bay for Jerry. If he is the control person early, it moves the transaction and taxes happen pre death and again at death.

3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The Twins turned Griffin Jax into Taj Bradley.

Meanwhile, all I hear about with the Sox bad returns is that there's nothing Getz can do about that.

Taj Bradley has been good for four starts and he was a well below average starter for 350 innings before that. I get that he's young and this was likely at least a solid trade that only cost a pretty good reliever, but if Taj started off terribly this year you wouldn't be bringing this up.

26 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

He has to say that to keep the IRS at bay for Jerry. If he is the control person early, it moves the transaction and taxes happen pre death and again at death.

I don't understand this. If JR doesn't sell his shares but simply allows Ishbia to run the show why would there be any tax implication?

There are two phases of being a White Sox fan for me. There's the phase where you hold out hope an objectively bad hire somehow turns into a good hire despite the terrible process and decisionmaking behind it (because hey, what else can you do?) Then there's the phase where you accept that, unsurprisingly, the bad hire was just a bad hire and you resign yourself to watching things deteriorate until the next bad hire restarts the process. I think I'm right between phase 1 and phase 2 right now.

46 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

In interviews last fall, Ishbia made clear that JR is in charge and that he's not involved in or second-guessing operations of the team.

I can only imagine that doesn't extend to a long-term issue like getting a new stadium designed and built, but as much as I'd like to see some house cleaning leading to more competent leadership asap, I just don't see that happening until at least 2029.

He has to make it clear JR is in charge, because as of right now he is, but you all are kidding yourself if you think someone makes a billion dollar investment into something and has no input what so ever.

1 hour ago, almagest said:

Taj Bradley has been good for four starts and he was a well below average starter for 350 innings before that. I get that he's young and this was likely at least a solid trade that only cost a pretty good reliever, but if Taj started off terribly this year you wouldn't be bringing this up.

Not true at all. I literally sang the praises of that move and Bradley himself last year after the Twins acquired him and when he was struggling.

On 8/1/2025 at 9:14 AM, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

While they had to sell to cut payroll, I think the Twins have the best future rotation in the central - better than Detroit. I'm a big fan of Abel and Bradley's arms, and zebby has looked dominant. Add in Pablo and Ober getting healthy with Joe Ryan, and I'd take those six for the next three years over most. Consider that Festa and Woods-Richardson are 7-8 guys and the Twins are deep in the rotation.

Edit: forgot Joe Ryan who they should move for bats.

"Gotta say for the division in the dumps crowd... As a believer in Taj Bradley and still a believer in Zebby Mathews and Mick Abel, the Twins rotation has a ton of upside."

On 8/1/2025 at 9:08 AM, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Twins getting Taj Bradley was a big one imo. He's got all the tools to be a #1 in this league. 

1 hour ago, supernuke said:

I don't understand this. If JR doesn't sell his shares but simply allows Ishbia to run the show why would there be any tax implication?

If the implication is that the "sale" has already taken place in all but name, that's fraud. It would look pretty obvious if all of the sudden if Jerry were ceding control of the franchise without an actual sale having taken place (and remember, there is no actual OBLIGATION for the sale to take place in this agreement, simply options for it to happen in the future) it means the sale has already effectively happened, meaning that Jerry owes capital gains takes NOW, and then he will owe taxes again upon his death with the transition of his estate.

1 hour ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

There are two phases of being a White Sox fan for me. There's the phase where you hold out hope an objectively bad hire somehow turns into a good hire despite the terrible process and decisionmaking behind it (because hey, what else can you do?) Then there's the phase where you accept that, unsurprisingly, the bad hire was just a bad hire and you resign yourself to watching things deteriorate until the next bad hire restarts the process. I think I'm right between phase 1 and phase 2 right now.

It overlaps the stages of grief way too well.

19 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Not true at all. I literally sang the praises of that move and Bradley himself last year after the Twins acquired him and when he was struggling.

"Gotta say for the division in the dumps crowd... As a believer in Taj Bradley and still a believer in Zebby Mathews and Mick Abel, the Twins rotation has a ton of upside."

Fair enough. Wonder what the Sox could have traded to equal Jax. Definitely no one in the bullpen. Houser for Bradley instead of Mead/Davitt/Peoples maybe? No idea if that was even on the table or if Tampa had their sights set on Jax.

Dominguez was a straight up lighting of dollars on fire, well done Chris Getz.

I have been pretty patient with Getz. I’m not sure I can watch much more of this garbage.

4 hours ago, T R U said:

He has to make it clear JR is in charge, because as of right now he is, but you all are kidding yourself if you think someone makes a billion dollar investment into something and has no input what so ever.

It does make one wonder what Ishbia thinks watching his future investment being run so badly into the ground while he has to wait up to 8 more years before he can take control. But, we all know that JR wants to do things his way and he's not going to have someone second-guessing him while he's in charge. If Ishbia starting making demands about personnel changes, I suppose Jerry could just scuttle the deal since we've seen how he treats people who undercut him.

It must be maddening for the Ishbia brothers as each year of this nonsense further damages the White Sox brand, but this is their ticket to owning a MLB franchise in the 3rd largest market and they're not going to undercut JR by leaning on him to replace personnel like the GM or manager.

My guess is that Ishbia's sole focus right now is getting a new stadium and stadium district at the 78/Amtrak Yard financed and built and he'll have to wait until at least 2029 to clean house.

10 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

It does make one wonder what Ishbia thinks watching his future investment being run so badly into the ground while he has to wait up to 8 more years before he can take control. But, we all know that JR wants to do things his way and he's not going to have someone second-guessing him while he's in charge. If Ishbia starting making demands about personnel changes, I suppose Jerry could just scuttle the deal since we've seen how he treats people who undercut him.

It must be maddening for the Ishbia brothers as each year of this nonsense further damages the White Sox brand, but this is their ticket to owning a MLB franchise in the 3rd largest market and they're not going to undercut JR by leaning on him to replace personnel like the GM or manager.

My guess is that Ishbia's sole focus right now is getting a new stadium and stadium district at the 78/Amtrak Yard financed and built and he'll have to wait until at least 2029 to clean house.

I am sure he has a say behind the scenes. I can't imagine putting up $2 billion, and not having a say. He just can't be in front of the process until either Jerry dies, or the option to buy is able to be exercised.

2 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

It does make one wonder what Ishbia thinks watching his future investment being run so badly into the ground while he has to wait up to 8 more years before he can take control. But, we all know that JR wants to do things his way and he's not going to have someone second-guessing him while he's in charge. If Ishbia starting making demands about personnel changes, I suppose Jerry could just scuttle the deal since we've seen how he treats people who undercut him.

It must be maddening for the Ishbia brothers as each year of this nonsense further damages the White Sox brand, but this is their ticket to owning a MLB franchise in the 3rd largest market and they're not going to undercut JR by leaning on him to replace personnel like the GM or manager.

My guess is that Ishbia's sole focus right now is getting a new stadium and stadium district at the 78/Amtrak Yard financed and built and he'll have to wait until at least 2029 to clean house.

How many fucking times do you have to say the same fucking thing?

Sox got swept by a Division leading team that just swept the Yankees. Sox came up a bit short today, but could have won but for a few breaks. They can learn from mistakes and address the Closer role by first demoting Seranthony. Then replace him with Grant Taylor or fireballer Tanner McDougal. Learn from mistakes and keep moving forward. This team has a lot of good players. They can get better and become competitive.

2 minutes ago, tray said:

Sox got swept by a Division leading team that just swept the Yankees. Sox came up a bit short today, but could have won but for a few breaks. They can learn from mistakes and address the Closer role by first demoting Seranthony. Then replace him with Grant Taylor or fireballer Tanner McDougal. Learn from mistakes and keep moving forward. This team has a lot of good players. They can get better and become competitive.

They absolutely do not have a lot of good players

6 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

If the implication is that the "sale" has already taken place in all but name, that's fraud. It would look pretty obvious if all of the sudden if Jerry were ceding control of the franchise without an actual sale having taken place (and remember, there is no actual OBLIGATION for the sale to take place in this agreement, simply options for it to happen in the future) it means the sale has already effectively happened, meaning that Jerry owes capital gains takes NOW, and then he will owe taxes again upon his death with the transition of his estate.

But if Ishbia already owns part of the team why couldn't he be allowed to become the decision maker even without a sale. Isn't JR just the Chairman of the ownership group? Could he not resign as chairman while still being a part owner of the team?

12 minutes ago, fathom said:

They absolutely do not have a lot of good players

We have like two average regulars, a potentially good player in Teel maybe two decent relievers and maybe one future rotation piece. It's almost comical how bad it looks given the pieces he traded off and with three full offseasons to fill smoking craters all over the roster with just bad starters. We don't even have a single bad starter vet. Beni is just replacement level since 2024 and he gets his 25 PA a week steady.

No urgency, no accountability, no plan, no clue.

6 minutes ago, supernuke said:

But if Ishbia already owns part of the team why couldn't he be allowed to become the decision maker even without a sale. Isn't JR just the Chairman of the ownership group? Could he not resign as chairman while still being a part owner of the team?

Because they already announced otherwise.

10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Because they already announced otherwise.

So there is no mechanism under which the ownership group could select/elect a new chairman? What if JR became mentally unfit to run the team. Has it always been this way? In the past would it have been impossible for JR to cede control to one of the other owners without selling his shares? Sorry for all the questions I am just trying to understand this situation. It just seems so odd to me that an ownership group can not transfer or share decision making duties amongst the group.