Lip Man 1 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Good look at the situation: 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 The injuries and fielding problems are hugely problematic. That Cubs rebuild team that won the World Series had a plethora of fielders. White Sox bet on arms and they busted. No fielding, injuries and bad pitching 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I feel like the Shields trade had KW’s fingerprints on it. Like the LaRussa signing, it doesn’t go with the rest of the moves Hahn made. Shields seems like the kind of guy Kenny had one of his crushes on who was destined to one day join the team. Not sticking up for Hahn…it was his time to get canned, but I don’t think he was ever fully in control. Oh, and the Sox still haven’t signed a prime free agent in forever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Middle Buffalo said: I feel like the Shields trade had KW’s fingerprints on it. Like the LaRussa signing, it doesn’t go with the rest of the moves Hahn made. Shields seems like the kind of guy Kenny had one of his crushes on who was destined to one day join the team. Not sticking up for Hahn…it was his time to get canned, but I don’t think he was ever fully in control. Oh, and the Sox still haven’t signed a prime free agent in forever. The Shields trade was awful in retrospect but Tatis didn't become the guy he is now until later. That's as charitable as you can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Kenny's idea of a haul is..............clueless. The video demonstrates on how poor the scouting is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Vacheron said: The Shields trade was awful in retrospect but Tatis didn't become the guy he is now until later. That's as charitable as you can be. And likely wouldn’t have become the guy he is now if he stayed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I will never stop being amazed at all the excuses made for Rick Hahn. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Vacheron said: The Shields trade was awful in retrospect but Tatis didn't become the guy he is now until later. That's as charitable as you can be. I have previously debunked this canard a billion times. The industry knew he was a break out. Law wrote an article before the trade saying that industry sources who had seen Tatis in instructs said that he'd have been 1-1 had he been eligible for the draft. This is not a Junior Caminero situation. Tatis was highly prized and the Sox dealt him for maximum salary relief for a guy who already sucked. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I will never stop being amazed at all the excuses made for Rick Hahn. I view it as a “Hahn sucked, but let’s not let that cloud the fact that the rest of the organization sucks just as bad.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 He can stop stanning for TLR at the end there. He was running the ship when the mediocre bullshit started, and Brian Kenny missed that it actually started in the second half of 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 38 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I will never stop being amazed at all the excuses made for Rick Hahn. “He did good with all of the returns on his trades!” and then what did he do? Did he continue to collect and amass prospects and draft well and made shrewd trades in the down years of a rebuild? Nope 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 56 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I have previously debunked this canard a billion times. The industry knew he was a break out. Law wrote an article before the trade saying that industry sources who had seen Tatis in instructs said that he'd have been 1-1 had he been eligible for the draft. This is not a Junior Caminero situation. Tatis was highly prized and the Sox dealt him for maximum salary relief for a guy who already sucked. Along with Erik Johnson too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 That was lazy reporting adding Burger's name as a "negative" with his defense improving and even playing second at least competently. He was clearly much better than 2022. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 How can you not mention Semien and Bassitt for Samardzija? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Along with Erik Johnson too. I think we can all admit that Erik Johnson meant absolutely nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Kyyle23 said: I think we can all admit that Erik Johnson meant absolutely nothing At the time he was certainly the name player in the trade though...and had been a pretty highly rated Sox prospect albeit with numerous injury red flags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I think we can all admit that Erik Johnson meant absolutely nothing Ironically he alone was an overpay for Shields. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: At the time he was certainly the name player in the trade though...and had been a pretty highly rated Sox prospect albeit with numerous injury red flags. At the time doesn’t matter, this is a post mortem, Tatis was the f*** up and Erik Johnson pitched a handful of games for the padres and faded out forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Kinda says all you need to know about this "core", right there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Capn12 said: Kinda says all you need to know about this "core", right there. Not Rick Hahn's fault. It's the training staff, TLR and of course those individual players. Nobody could have predicted their poor health or Covid lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Not Rick Hahn's fault. It's the training staff, TLR and of course those individual players. Nobody could have predicted their poor health or Covid lol. I'm not putting this at the feet of anyone, but the players (and 2ndly the training staff), at least the part highlighted above. We've never gotten even remotely enough on field time from the guys that were supposed to be the heart of this team on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Not impressed at the writers coming out of the woodwork NOW since a lot of Sox fans who made these complaints for years were treated as overly hysterical. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Keith Law, Rosenthal, Greenberg I’m okay with. Fegan deserves his magnum opus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Kenny is a top-shelf analyst. He was kind to the FO, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 also shout out to Claire McNear whose post-Machado article was one of the few that treated sox fans like they deserved better https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/2/20/18232714/manny-machado-white-sox-whiff-free-agency 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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