December 30, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said: He wasn’t flexin last year. Maybe he will this year. He flexed in 2021, was decent in 2022. https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2021/11/9/22770497/2021-mariners-exit-interviews-chris-flexen I understand people are coming to grips with a $130M - $140M payroll, expecting a lot higher number after the past two years, but this is how it’s going to look until the Sox start acquiring and developing quality players internally.
December 30, 20232 yr Just now, South Side Hit Men said: He flexed in 2021, was decent in 2022. https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2021/11/9/22770497/2021-mariners-exit-interviews-chris-flexen I understand people are coming to grips with a $130M - $140M payroll, expecting a lot higher number after the past two years, but this is how it’s going to look until the Sox start acquiring and developing quality players internally. They’re going to be under 100 come 2025
December 30, 20232 yr 18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: The best part is that this isn’t just a flier signing. Bob said he was signed to fill out the rotation. Getz for the win. To quote Ron.... "Getz be praised!"
December 30, 20232 yr I thought Tim Hill was going to be nadir of how bad the dumpster diving would feel this off-season, but Getz dug deep and found another gear.
December 30, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: He wasn’t flexin last year. Maybe he will this year. Maybe his 4th team in a calendar year will do the trick...
December 30, 20232 yr Just now, fathom said: They’re going to be under 100 come 2025 That’s possible if they start horrendously like last year, as this will absolutely crater attendance. They need a decent start, be within 5 games of .500 to end May, to draw some fans to enjoy a nice Summer day. 2026 is the earliest I see them having a possible decent young core if a lot goes right. Where the rubber hits the road is how players develop over the next two seasons, and their philosophy of acquiring players and roster construction for a contention window. If it’s the same old same old like the past few decades, then yeah, sign out of Soxtalk until Jerry is gone because it’s never going to happen.
December 30, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, fathom said: What other negative WAR plays are free agents? Majority are former members of the 2023 roster. Churning churning churning. Edited December 30, 20232 yr by caulfield12
December 30, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, fathom said: What other negative WAR plays are free agents? 2024 MLB Free Agents - 2023 White Sox bWAR -2.0 Tim Anderson -1.1 Lance Lynn -0.7 Yasmani Grandal -0.6 Jake Diekman That said, teams have a broader perspective beyond a year. The White Sox received some value (Soroka my favorite of the haul) for -1.0 Bummer, and Atlanta is widely considered to have a smart FO.
December 30, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, fathom said: What other negative WAR plays are free agents? Pretty obvious Getz isn’t using any special analysis on these acquisitions. It’s basically who is cheap cuz they are either old and/or sucked last year.
December 30, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, wegner said: I feel like I'm living in Whoville with these acquisitions....who? Who? WHO? Flexen is known as the Hulk. Don’t get him angry. You wouldn’t like him when he is angry.
December 30, 20232 yr Just now, South Side Hit Men said: Flexen is known as the Hulk. Don’t get him angry. You wouldn’t like him when he is angry. Maybe he can pitch better with the Hulk glove on?
December 30, 20232 yr Chis Flexen 2021 Age 26 ,179.2 IP , 3.61 ERA , 3.89 FIP, 1.25 WHIP, 6.3 K/9 2022 Age 27, 137.2 IP, 3.73 ERA, 4.49 FIP, 1.329 WHIP, 6.2 K/9 2023 Age 28, 102.1 IP, 6.86 ERA, 6.22 FIP, 1.671 WHIP, 6.5 K/9 Lucas Giolito 2021, Age 26, 178.2 IP, 3.53 ERA, 3.79 FIP, 1.103 WHIP, 10.1 K/9, 11th in CY 2022 Age 27, 161.2 IP, 4.90 ERA, 4.06 FIP , 1.435 WHIP, 9.9 K/9 2023 Age 28, 184.1 IP, 4.88 ERA, 5.27 FIP, 1.313 WHIP, 10 K/9 The last 3 years of Flexen and Giolito are not that dissimilar. Obviously Lucas has a longer track record, much better K /9 and more innings. If Flexen had a combined statistical season in 2023 lets say halfway between his '21 and '22 stats he'd be looking at being a decent part of the Mariners rotation in his 1st year of Arbitration in 2024. 1 bad year for a 4th or 5th starer type after 2 years of solid production apparently made him worth a minor league contract in the eyes of many here. Yet Lucas got 2 years and $38M. Is the difference between them over the last 3 years that big of a difference to warrant the vast differences in how some of our fans view Flexen and at least 1 GM viewed Giolito ? I'm real good with this type of flyer. 29 year old starting pitcher with stats in 2 of his last 3 years that would be very acceptable on the 2024 Sox.
December 30, 20232 yr Feels like this could have / should have been an milb deal. Not a huge sum of $ by any means, but hard to see the vision.
December 30, 20232 yr 21 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Feels like this could have / should have been an milb deal. Not a huge sum of $ by any means, but hard to see the vision. I’m guessing that guaranteed dollars are the only thing selling these shitty players on coming here.
December 30, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, fathom said: He was absolutely awful last year. Wtf are they thinking Coop will fix him.
December 30, 20232 yr 29 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Feels like this could have / should have been an milb deal. Not a huge sum of $ by any means, but hard to see the vision. You can say that about half the signings. Low risk/low reward
December 30, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: The last 3 years of Flexen and Giolito are not that dissimilar. I saw Gio's $38 mil guaranteed, and I tip my hat, say thanks for the memories. I'm with you, fliers like this are fine. He probably has more prospect than our 40th dude. If Banny fixes him, he brings in a young, fresh arm in July.
December 30, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, Sarava said: This is crazy. I feel like I'm a Pittsburgh Pirates fan now. We'd be in alot better shape with Cherington than this s%*# show.
December 30, 20232 yr Good thing Jerry hired Getz or else we would have had to wait a year before we got to enjoy these awesome signings.
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