Reds are pretty meh for me too. 
 

still holding out for Redsox, Cubs or Orioles 

23 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I’d probably need Arroyo, Collier another piece and their Comp Round A pick to even consider a deal but in this market, that might be the best they can do. 

It’s a bad market?

54 minutes ago, fathom said:

Yep same with the Yankees.  Sucks to hear Boston isn’t significantly involved.

Yup, got to hope it’s posturing or the Cubs / Phillies are in the mix.

Sun-Times confirms the Cubs have talked to Sox about Crochet

5 minutes ago, fathom said:

Sun-Times confirms the Cubs have talked to Sox about Crochet

Excellent

Cincinnati beat reporter Gordon Wittenmyer says Reds are out on Crochet.  

 

48 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I’d probably need Arroyo, Collier another piece and their Comp Round A pick to even consider a deal but in this market, that might be the best they can do. 

Oof. That doesn't fill me with confidence. 

I'm trying to quote tweet replies but I can't click on anything with all of the pop ups. 

20 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Cincinnati beat reporter Gordon Wittenmyer says Reds are out on Crochet.  

 

Good

20 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Cincinnati beat reporter Gordon Wittenmyer says Reds are out on Crochet.  

 

Oh that's where that geek went?

Where did Wittenmyer say that? 

Link to  Wittenmyer's article in here. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/garrett-crochet-rumors-cubs-padres-yankees-red-sox-reds.html

9 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Where did Wittenmyer say that? 

There's a summary of reporting in this post.

https://www.redlegnation.com/2024/12/08/cincinnati-reds-trade-rumors-are-circling-before-the-winter-meetings/

10 hours ago, bmags said:

This market is wild. Well see what actually materializes.

But whatever signs we have access to indicate a market sentiment where 

a) mid level pitchers are very expensive and no great top tier pitchers to sign

b) there aren’t a lot of great pitchers on the trade market

and yet

Top position prospects are clearly valued way higher than whatever problems arise this year from having sub par pitching - even for contending teams.

Teams would offer two top 15 pitching prospects before a single top 50 hitting prospect. Oh but how about these underperforming former top prospects? Would that interest you?

Whatever happens next, the white Sox have to start developing and drafting and signing hitting because there is no trade market for it and no $$ avenue for this team to sign any.

Interesting way to say you aren't blaming Getz because of the position  prospect hugging without saying it.

36 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Link to  Wittenmyer's article in here. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/garrett-crochet-rumors-cubs-padres-yankees-red-sox-reds.html

lol at Yankees not willing to trade Spencer Jones for Crochet

I am getting the feeling, despite everyone reporting the White Sox will get a haul again, they are going to end up with another Cease-type package of a team’s #5-10 top prospects. 

1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I'm trying to quote tweet replies but I can't click on anything with all of the pop ups. 

Yeah it’s fucking annoying

27 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

lol at Yankees not willing to trade Spencer Jones for Crochet

Who is now the Yankees 6th best prospect in the latest 2025 update. Well done NY.

Edited December 9, 20241 yr by DirtySox

13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah it’s fucking annoying

You guys talking about Soxtalk?  If so, I had to install an ad blocker to actually be able to post.

2 hours ago, GreenSox said:

The attitudes were Eloy, Yoan and some veteran pitchers.  Hard to understand how the farm director is supposed to change attitudes, especially when they were in the "system" for less than 2 years and 1 year respectively.   Their attitudes probably explains why Hahn was able to acquire them in the first place.  It reflects on the lack of due-diligence from the right-honorable former GM.
I guess Crochet has a bit of an attitude, but it's just because he wanted to start, which he was right about.

This conversation literally started because I said that Nick Madrigal’s bad attitude should probably reflect on the franchise. You can add Anderson, Kopech, Rodon, Colas, and im Sure others I am forgetting to the list of guys where we have heard bad things about their attitude. This is basically constant, the list of guys we hear nothing bad about is shorter.

4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

This conversation literally started because I said that Nick Madrigal’s bad attitude should probably reflect on the franchise. You can add Anderson, Kopech, Rodon, Colas, and im Sure others I am forgetting to the list of guys where we have heard bad things about their attitude. This is basically constant, the list of guys we hear nothing bad about is shorter.

I thought the report was that Madrigal was annoying about religion. Not that he had a "bad attitude"

11 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

I thought the report was that Madrigal was annoying about religion. Not that he had a "bad attitude"

And Chris Getz made him annoying. He also makes bread go moldy. I guess Chris Getz must be doing a great job, now, if we have to make up BS to blame him for. LOL. 

Edited December 9, 20241 yr by WestEddy

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And Chris Getz made him annoying. He also makes bread go moldy. I guess Chris Getz must be doing a great job, now, if we have to make up BS to blame him for. LOL. 

Failing to deal with a person proselytizing during business hours in the real world is literally an HR violation. 

Had there been only one case of this, it’s probably fine. The story we have now is of a team that ripped itself apart and hated each other all the way to a loss record. That’s on the players themselves,  but also Tony LaRussa and Pedro Grifol, Hahn for not realizing the mess he was creating with his acquisitions, and the development staff for never working to turn these guys into adults as well as not helping Hahn recognize that there was a brewing problem. I’m afraid yeah, your hero is on that list.

9 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Failing to deal with a person proselytizing during business hours in the real world is literally an HR violation. 

Had there been only one case of this, it’s probably fine. The story we have now is of a team that ripped itself apart and hated each other all the way to a loss record. That’s on the players themselves,  but also Tony LaRussa and Pedro Grifol, Hahn for not realizing the mess he was creating with his acquisitions, and the development staff for never working to turn these guys into adults as well as not helping Hahn recognize that there was a brewing problem. I’m afraid yeah, your hero is on that list.

Dude, you said that "basically everyone" that comes out of the minor league system has attitude problems. Now you're tapdancing. You named four guys, one who is immature (Anderson), one a head case (Kopech), I have no idea how Rodon is a clubhouse cancer, and Colas. That seems far short of "basically everyone", but hey, keep going. This is getting funnier. 

Edited December 9, 20241 yr by WestEddy

1 hour ago, Sambuca said:

I am getting the feeling, despite everyone reporting the White Sox will get a haul again, they are going to end up with another Cease-type package of a team’s #5-10 top prospects. 

So the Sox might end up with a pitcher who might be better than Crochet, since it seems very possible that Thorpe might end up better than Cease? And then also end with a few other of the team's top 10 prospects. 

I state this again: People keep talking like the Sox lost the Cease trade, and that is not anywhere near a fact, and I think it's going to turn out that they won it. But either way, we'll see; it's not yet determined.