1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if that is Getz’s target, as well as expecting Montgomery to eventually be at 3B.  Sadly, I doubt Jacob Gonzalez is our SS of the future.

I doubt Gonzalez even makes it to the majors. If he does it's a bench bat cup-of-coffee call-up when he's 29.

I generally think we should hold Robert, but the Yankees make a ton of sense for a Robert trade now. They need to do something to make up for losing Soto and Getz might be able to take advantage of a somewhat desperate Yankees team.
 

No idea if he’d be on the table, but Arias is a pretty good start to a Robert package.

 

I really hope it’s Phillies. 

3 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said:

IMO Getz wants Arroyo from CIN. He is hellbent on adding a legit up the middle talent (SS or CF) because C. Montgomery probably won't stick and Robert will need to be replaced. 

Robert + Varland for Arroyo + Lin. Get it done Getz.

I kind of feel like Robert will get dealt.  Getz said interest really picked up during the winter meetings and while he has an obvious incentive to lie it did feel legit.  I guess we will find out in the coming weeks.

28 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I kind of feel like Robert will get dealt.  Getz said interest really picked up during the winter meetings and while he has an obvious incentive to lie it did feel legit.  I guess we will find out in the coming weeks.

I think he will too but not for the haul they are asking for. Some middle ground.

1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Robert + Varland for Arroyo + Lin. Get it done Getz.

The Yankees have (eventually) gotten Kahnle, Ian Hamilton, Cousins, Tim Hill and Keynan Middleton from the White Sox in recent years for little to nothing in return.  Hard to believe Varland could be anything approaching a key piece to a possible deal.

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1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I think he will too but not for the haul they are asking for. Some middle ground.

I wonder what the offers are for him and what Getz is expecting.

26 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I wonder what the offers are for him and what Getz is expecting.

You need at least one 50 FV or higher positional prospect to even consider moving Robert right now and that would be selling low if you have any faith he will return to his 2023 form.  I could see someone offering that too, just not sure if Getz will bite on that or not.  I think if that player were a SS or CF with some actual ceiling (which is probably more a 55 FV type) then it would be harder for Getz to say no to, but that could be hard to come by.  Like I wouldn’t turn Justin Crawford straight up for Robert right now but unlikely Dombrowski would offer that right now even though Luis is exactly what they need.

7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

You need at least one 50 FV or higher positional prospect to even consider moving Robert right now and that would be selling low if you have any faith he will return to his 2023 form.  I could see someone offering that too, just not sure if Getz will bite on that or not.  I think if that player were a SS or CF with some actual ceiling (which is probably more a 55 FV type) then it would be harder for Getz to say no to, but that could be hard to come by.  Like I wouldn’t turn Justin Crawford straight up for Robert right now but unlikely Dombrowski would offer that right now even though Luis is exactly what they need.

Crawford from the Phillies or Arroyo from the Reds would be nice.  Sucks that Robert had such a down year that those guys are a stretch in a one-for-one trade.

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Crawford from the Phillies or Arroyo from the Reds would be nice.  Sucks that Robert had such a down year that those guys are a stretch in a one-for-one trade.

Now you have two Montgomery's to keep track of with the Sox...

Hypothetical.  Getz doesn't receive an acceptable offer for Robert.  Now it's All Star break and Robert has been healthy, playing Gold Glove CF and has 25 homers, 25 steals and a .900 OPS.  Farm pieces are all developing positively.   Do you sell or does he become cornerstone?  I think the case for keeping him long term is better than it was for Crochet.  You'll have team control through the 2027 season and a GG CF with power and speed seems ultra valuable.  I think that is also where we thought he would be at the end of the 2023 season.  If that is possible...don't trade now for a B prospect. 

1 hour ago, michelangelosmonkey said:

Hypothetical.  Getz doesn't receive an acceptable offer for Robert.  Now it's All Star break and Robert has been healthy, playing Gold Glove CF and has 25 homers, 25 steals and a .900 OPS.  Farm pieces are all developing positively.   Do you sell or does he become cornerstone?  I think the case for keeping him long term is better than it was for Crochet.  You'll have team control through the 2027 season and a GG CF with power and speed seems ultra valuable.  I think that is also where we thought he would be at the end of the 2023 season.  If that is possible...don't trade now for a B prospect. 

If he did put up those numbers, $175-250 million isn't out of the really of possibility for an extension...

One of our posters mentioned trading Robert jr  before he gets hurt again. In a perfect world I would roll the dice to see if he could stay healthy, put up good numbers and move him at the trading deadline. I have no confidence Robert jr can stay healthy so cut bait, trade him.

2 hours ago, michelangelosmonkey said:

Hypothetical.  Getz doesn't receive an acceptable offer for Robert.  Now it's All Star break and Robert has been healthy, playing Gold Glove CF and has 25 homers, 25 steals and a .900 OPS.  Farm pieces are all developing positively.   Do you sell or does he become cornerstone?  I think the case for keeping him long term is better than it was for Crochet.  You'll have team control through the 2027 season and a GG CF with power and speed seems ultra valuable.  I think that is also where we thought he would be at the end of the 2023 season.  If that is possible...don't trade now for a B prospect. 

I don’t think the 3-year max window Robert could be here is quite long enough to fit the Sox window to be competitive again.  Plus, you always have to worry about his next injury.  I still think he is traded before we find out what kind of season he has.  But in your scenario, I think he would then be traded at the 2025 trade deadline.

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2 hours ago, michelangelosmonkey said:

Hypothetical.  Getz doesn't receive an acceptable offer for Robert.  Now it's All Star break and Robert has been healthy, playing Gold Glove CF and has 25 homers, 25 steals and a .900 OPS.  Farm pieces are all developing positively.   Do you sell or does he become cornerstone?  I think the case for keeping him long term is better than it was for Crochet.  You'll have team control through the 2027 season and a GG CF with power and speed seems ultra valuable.  I think that is also where we thought he would be at the end of the 2023 season.  If that is possible...don't trade now for a B prospect. 

You 100% trade him.  And you can use the $20M on a different free agent when the time is right while also landing some valuable prospects.

3 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

If he did put up those numbers, $175-250 million isn't out of the really of possibility for an extension...

From the SOX??!!! lmao yes it is

3 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

If he did put up those numbers, $175-250 million isn't out of the really of possibility for an extension...

For the White Sox it would be.

13 hours ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

I doubt Gonzalez even makes it to the majors. If he does it's a bench bat cup-of-coffee call-up when he's 29.

my guy Gavin Sheets is in the middle of a 4 year career as a starting outfielder in this org. Jacob Gonzalez is gonna be a big leaguer*

 

*white sox definition.

3 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

If he did put up those numbers, $175-250 million isn't out of the really of possibility for an extension...

Is Jerry still alive?

https://pitcherlist.com/orioles-gm-unwilling-to-spend-despite-green-light-from-owner/

 

All makes sense why this guy won't pull the trigger on anything.

Edit - Also sheds some light on how we got Fuller.

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7 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

https://pitcherlist.com/orioles-gm-unwilling-to-spend-despite-green-light-from-owner/

 

All makes sense why this guy won't pull the trigger on anything.

Edit - Also sheds some light on how we got Fuller.

Quite the hit piece. Chris Getz looks like a dynamic, visionary "open-door GM" compared to this view of Elias. 

34 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

https://pitcherlist.com/orioles-gm-unwilling-to-spend-despite-green-light-from-owner/

 

All makes sense why this guy won't pull the trigger on anything.

Edit - Also sheds some light on how we got Fuller.

Elias sounds like the perfect GM for the Orioles!

34 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Quite the hit piece. Chris Getz looks like a dynamic, visionary "open-door GM" compared to this view of Elias. 

It also doesn’t make much sense.  Elias doesn’t want to spend any money but gives 3/$49.5 million to Tyler O’Neill when he already has a dirt cheap and good young replacement outfielder for Anthony Santander in Heston Kjerstad?  He gives 1/$8.5 million to Gary Sanchez to fill a backup catcher and DH against lefties role?

If Elias neglects to improve the Orioles rotation this offseason, maybe I’ll buy this story.  But those two moves don’t really line up with a GM who doesn’t want to spend money and that desperately needs to bolster his rotation.

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3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

It also doesn’t make much sense.  Elias doesn’t want to spend any money but gives $49.5 million to Tyler O’Neill when he already has a dirt cheap and good young replacement outfielder for Anthony Santander in Heston Kjerstad?  He gives $8.5 million to Gary Sanchez to fill a backup catcher and DH against lefties role?

If Elias neglects to improve the Orioles rotation this offseason, maybe I’ll buy this story.  But those two moves don’t really line up with a GM who doesn’t want to spend money and that desperately needs to bolster his rotation.

But those are moves that won't make people say he "bought a World Series" which is what he seems afraid of in this piece.