Is “The 78” Dead? Or even more alive? Fire announce plans for SSS

[Lip Man 1]

Brad Biggs' the Tribune Bears beat writer offers his thoughts:

"Seriously, as best I understand the situation, the Bears are eyeing the possibility of putting up a stadium in Hammond. Either that or before lawmakers return to Springfield in 2026, the team is attempting a leverage play as it seeks public funding for infrastructure around Arlington Heights that could approach $1 billion as well as tax breaks.

“This is not about leverage,” Warren wrote in the letter.

If you have to say it’s not about leverage, it’s only about leverage. The franchise’s stadium pursuit has become such a flip-flop operation, at this point it’s literally all over the map. Pick a town, any town."

[southsider2k5]

And to bring this full circle, thanks to watching some PBS/Geoffrey Baer, DYK that the Chicago Bears Soldier Field was built on a (wait for it... wait for it...) literal garbage landfill as it was originally about 150 yards into Lake Michigan, but was where people dumped their trash during the early years of Chicago. 

They drove pilings through the trash piles and into bedrock to anchor the stadium.

[WestEddy]

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

And to bring this full circle, thanks to watching some PBS/Geoffrey Baer, DYK that the Chicago Bears Soldier Field was built on a (wait for it... wait for it...) literal garbage landfill as it was originally about 150 yards into Lake Michigan, but was where people dumped their trash during the early years of Chicago. 

They drove pilings through the trash piles and into bedrock to anchor the stadium.

Was it "trash", or debris from the Chicago Fire?

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Was it "trash", or debris from the Chicago Fire?

According to Popular Mechanics it was a Streeter garbage dump.

 

This is is someone copying the original article which is paywalled.

https://theyawningchasm.com/2021/08/02/the-pungent-history-of-americas-garbage-mountains/

 

[Green Line]

I support the Bears moving to NWI.  Hammond makes a lot of sense.  Arlington Heights is not that convenient for me or most Sox fans.  North siders will just have to deal with it.

[WBWSF]

1 hour ago, Green Line said:

I support the Bears moving to NWI.  Hammond makes a lot of sense.  Arlington Heights is not that convenient for me or most Sox fans.  North siders will just have to deal with it.

I'm told the Bears are meeting with the  Indiana officials on January 6.  I would think if Indiana comes up with  the  money package the  Bears are looking for and Illinois doesn't, the Bears will go to Indiana. The latest thing I've heard is the Bears should try to purchase Soldier Field from the Park District , knock it down and build the  dome stadium  at the site. I think we're going to find out soon what the Bears  are going to do. They want to  start building the new stadium in 2026.

[Lip Man 1]

36 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

I'm told the Bears are meeting with the  Indiana officials on January 6.  I would think if Indiana comes up with  the  money package the  Bears are looking for and Illinois doesn't, the Bears will go to Indiana. The latest thing I've heard is the Bears should try to purchase Soldier Field from the Park District , knock it down and build the  dome stadium  at the site. I think we're going to find out soon what the Bears  are going to do. They want to  start building the new stadium in 2026.

If the Bears go to Indiana it will be just like the Giants and Jets playing in New Jersey. They are still the New York teams and the Bears will still be Chicago's team.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over this (nor will I lose any sleep over the "reports" the Sox are moving to Nashville!) 🤡 

The Bears will get the cooperation from Illinois politicians when they come up with a way to pay off the outstanding money still owed from the renovations in 2002 not before that's been made very clear in published statements to the media. 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Lip Man 1

[WhiteSox2023]

17 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Brad Biggs' the Tribune Bears beat writer offers his thoughts:

"Seriously, as best I understand the situation, the Bears are eyeing the possibility of putting up a stadium in Hammond. Either that or before lawmakers return to Springfield in 2026, the team is attempting a leverage play as it seeks public funding for infrastructure around Arlington Heights that could approach $1 billion as well as tax breaks.

“This is not about leverage,” Warren wrote in the letter.

If you have to say it’s not about leverage, it’s only about leverage. The franchise’s stadium pursuit has become such a flip-flop operation, at this point it’s literally all over the map. Pick a town, any town."

Jerry is probably impressed.

[Green Line]

Dome football is awful.  So is dome baseball.  I think the Bears should stay where they are.  The new stadium isnt for the fans, its just so greedy owners can have more luxury boxes.  Same for Sox.0

 

[77 Hitmen]

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

And to bring this full circle, thanks to watching some PBS/Geoffrey Baer, DYK that the Chicago Bears Soldier Field was built on a (wait for it... wait for it...) literal garbage landfill as it was originally about 150 yards into Lake Michigan, but was where people dumped their trash during the early years of Chicago. 

They drove pilings through the trash piles and into bedrock to anchor the stadium.

Yep, I watched the most recent Geoffrey Baer lakefront show and Michigan Ave was right on the lakefront in the mid-1800s.   There's a discussion about this beginning at around 5:25 in the video below.  Later in the show, they talk about the whole Streeterville area that was basically a sandbar.

But it doesn't matter how many times this is explained.  One particular poster will continue to throw a tantrum whenever someone suggests that a structure can be built on the 78.  

 

[77 Hitmen]

3 hours ago, Green Line said:

Dome football is awful.  So is dome baseball.  I think the Bears should stay where they are.  The new stadium isnt for the fans, its just so greedy owners can have more luxury boxes.  Same for Sox.0

 

That's been the criticism of the current Sox stadium for 35 years.  That's why there are 3 luxury levels before you even get to row 1 of the upper deck at Rate Field.  A new Sox stadium would almost certainly not have a 21 row hike to upper deck seats.

Edited 13 hours ago by 77 Hitmen

[77 Hitmen]

The Chiefs have announced that they are moving across state lines and into a new domed stadium and mixed-use district on the Kansas side of the KC metro area.  It'll be in Kansas City, Kansas.  There is currently a speedway, a casino, and a shopping mall at that location.

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/live-updates-kansas-officials-set-to-review-financing-plan-for-chiefs-stadium

The Chiefs have been at Arrowhead Stadium since 1972, just about as long as the Bears have been at Soldier Field (1971).  

[WBWSF]

4 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

The Chiefs have announced that they are moving across state lines and into a new domed stadium and mixed-use district on the Kansas side of the KC metro area.  It'll be in Kansas City, Kansas.  There is currently a speedway, a casino, and a shopping mall at that location.

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/live-updates-kansas-officials-set-to-review-financing-plan-for-chiefs-stadium

The Chiefs have been at Arrowhead Stadium since 1972, just about as long as the Bears have been at Soldier Field (1971).  

Once the Chiefs move to Kansas, I wonder if they're going to still be called the Kansas City Chiefs or the Kansas Chiefs.

Edited 8 hours ago by WBWSF

[Lip Man 1]

1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

Once the Chiefs move to Kansas, I wonder if they're going to still be called the Kansas City Chiefs or the Kansas Chiefs.

Does it matter?

Seriously.

How about the Hammond Steel Bears? 😆

The Giants play in new jersey they are still called the New York Giants a la the New York Jets.  

[The Beast]

9 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

If the Bears go to Indiana it will be just like the Giants and Jets playing in New Jersey. They are still the New York teams and the Bears will still be Chicago's team.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over this (nor will I lose any sleep over the "reports" the Sox are moving to Nashville!) 🤡 

The Bears will get the cooperation from Illinois politicians when they come up with a way to pay off the outstanding money still owed from the renovations in 2002 not before that's been made very clear in published statements to the media. 

 

What would be the negative economic impact for Illinois if the Bears left Chicago for Northwest Indiana? Who would be a good source to talk about this?

[caulfield12]

4 minutes ago, The Beast said:

What would be the negative economic impact for Illinois if the Bears left Chicago for Northwest Indiana? Who would be a good source to talk about this?

Crain's Business

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

Once the Chiefs move to Kansas, I wonder if they're going to still be called the Kansas City Chiefs or the Kansas Chiefs.

That would be idiotic.

Almost as idiotic as KCK Chiefs.

Most of that city is like East St Louis.

Then you have Johnson County suburbs and Wyandotte "countryside"...which is where they would be in actuality.

Edited 7 hours ago by caulfield12

[77 Hitmen]

2 hours ago, WBWSF said:

Once the Chiefs move to Kansas, I wonder if they're going to still be called the Kansas City Chiefs or the Kansas Chiefs.

The reported location of their new stadium will be in the municipality of Kansas City, Kansas.  Why would they drop "City" from their name when their home field will be literally in a town named Kansas City?

[JoeC]

8 hours ago, WBWSF said:

Once the Chiefs move to Kansas, I wonder if they're going to still be called the Kansas City Chiefs or the Kansas Chiefs.

The Kansas City Chiefs of Kansas.