WhiteSox2023 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 56 minutes ago, GreenSox said: I think Sosa will hit; he also isn't the FO prototype and I think it's healthy to have a few players who are not the prototype especially for this unproven FO. I hope they keep him (absent, obviously an overpay) I think they'll move him with any decent offer because he isn't the prototype. I think it’s worth keeping him to see what he does with more and more playing time. I wouldn’t trade him for some mediocre lottery ticket. But I agree with @Chicago White Sox that if you can get a similar type player as Sosa that plays the outfield, it would be worth it. It’s just a shame his defense is poor and he has zero plate patience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 18 Author Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I think it’s worth keeping him to see what he does with more and more playing time. I wouldn’t trade him for some mediocre lottery ticket. But I agree with @Chicago White Sox that if you can get a similar type player as Sosa that plays the outfield, it would be worth it. It’s just a shame his defense is poor and he has zero plate patience. Looking around the league, there's a few playoff caliber teams running some substandard dudes out to 2B every day. Houston, Philadelphia, the Mets, the Reds - they could all see Sosa as a way to plug in some league average offense into a hole. I think the rumor of the Mets wanting Sosa along with Robert is how he would be traded - a sweetener that would make trading a prospect for Robert more palatable to a fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Yea Sosa has some value on a contender looking for a fairly "safe" 1.5 WAR type to plug in at 2B. I think he's the obvious man out at the moment if we do decide to trade an IF. I like him, obviously, but a 2 WAR 2B isn't making any difference any time soon for our team if we can package him to get a quality like B+ type OF prospect that would be fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 The Getz regime clearly prefers hitters that will work at bats and take their walks. Sosa walks at 2.7%. His best minors rate is about 5.5% which is well below a 10% preferred rate. If he got to 5.5 % his ops+ is closer to 110 which could work. He has always struggled at a level then improved. League average to slightly better is nothing to throw/give away. He is 25 years old so still time to improve with all facets of his game. He plays winterball. Wonder if he should try outfield then to further the utility profile 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 8 hours ago, BamaDoc said: The Getz regime clearly prefers hitters that will work at bats and take their walks. Sosa walks at 2.7%. His best minors rate is about 5.5% which is well below a 10% preferred rate. If he got to 5.5 % his ops+ is closer to 110 which could work. He has always struggled at a level then improved. League average to slightly better is nothing to throw/give away. He is 25 years old so still time to improve with all facets of his game. He plays winterball. Wonder if he should try outfield then to further the utility profile His defense needs a lot of work in my opinion. Also just my opinion but the Sox need to stop trying to make seemingly all their guys into "utility" players supposedly able to play multiple positions. How about becoming competent, even very good at ONE position? Put together a solid lineup/order and stay with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Colson made a couple of decent plays at 3rd last night. Should call him Lazarus for coming back from the dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 7 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: His defense needs a lot of work in my opinion. Also just my opinion but the Sox need to stop trying to make seemingly all their guys into "utility" players supposedly able to play multiple positions. How about becoming competent, even very good at ONE position? Put together a solid lineup/order and stay with it. There is nothing wrong with the right guys learning more positions, but #1 on the list is for them to start before the majors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 I'd trade Houser as soon as someone offered something interesting. He's one bad start from being next to worthless. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 23 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: I'd trade Houser as soon as someone offered something interesting. He's one bad start from being next to worthless. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Also, if you were going to trade for Houser, wouldn't you make the trade sooner, rather than later, like two days ago? If a team had acquired him say yesterday, that's two more starts you can get out of him before the end of the trade deadline. He's only for this year, so I would think a team would want to get every start they could possibly get from him? So if a team is struggling with starting pitching, they're probably hurting right now, and not just in ten days at the deadline. It's seems dumb to wait on this trade for a team contending for a spot that needs starting pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 19 Author Share Posted July 19 33 minutes ago, vilehoopster said: Also, if you were going to trade for Houser, wouldn't you make the trade sooner, rather than later, like two days ago? If a team had acquired him say yesterday, that's two more starts you can get out of him before the end of the trade deadline. He's only for this year, so I would think a team would want to get every start they could possibly get from him? So if a team is struggling with starting pitching, they're probably hurting right now, and not just in ten days at the deadline. It's seems dumb to wait on this trade for a team contending for a spot that needs starting pitching. Houser's probably a fallback option, and the market hasn't even been established yet. Guys like Tyler Mahle or Merrill Kelly could be on the block, or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, vilehoopster said: Also, if you were going to trade for Houser, wouldn't you make the trade sooner, rather than later, like two days ago? If a team had acquired him say yesterday, that's two more starts you can get out of him before the end of the trade deadline. He's only for this year, so I would think a team would want to get every start they could possibly get from him? So if a team is struggling with starting pitching, they're probably hurting right now, and not just in ten days at the deadline. It's seems dumb to wait on this trade for a team contending for a spot that needs starting pitching. I'm sure they are trying to acquire it now. However the teams trading the pitchers away are also trying to get as much as possible in return. This may not work right now. That's why the trades happen at the deadline. Negotiations on both sides give a little. They aren't willing to do that right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 51 minutes ago, ptatc said: I'm sure they are trying to acquire it now. However the teams trading the pitchers away are also trying to get as much as possible in return. This may not work right now. That's why the trades happen at the deadline. Negotiations on both sides give a little. They aren't willing to do that right now. For sure Getz says ok you want him now, you're not the only one. Give this guy or these players and he yours and you do that with every team that calls. Always ask high ,someone may capitulate unexpectedly then if no one bites you compromise. Like if you want one guy in particular you ask for 2 guys. Maybe the other GM says I'll give u one not both . Great the trade is half done , now you say ok how about pairing this A ball guy with him ? Always have others guys you'd take in lower levels in mind. You're going to hear a lot of No's before you work it out. Hopefully you're good with some quickly. Can't still be working on 6 trades 2 hrs before the deadline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 3 hours ago, WestEddy said: Houser's probably a fallback option, and the market hasn't even been established yet. Guys like Tyler Mahle or Merrill Kelly could be on the block, or not. Those 2, especially Mahle, seem very Houser-like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 All I’m reading or seeing from the national guys is that there aren’t gonna be high impact players available, have to think this helps the Sox get better returns for Houser, possibly Martin/Cannon, Tauchman, and Robert, at least I hope it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 37 minutes ago, Rey21 said: All I’m reading or seeing from the national guys is that there aren’t gonna be high impact players available, have to think this helps the Sox get better returns for Houser, possibly Martin/Cannon, Tauchman, and Robert, at least I hope it does. Yeah, hopefully the dam breaks in the next day or two and we start to see some movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 O’s will be sellers at the deadline. Makes our rebuild look successful. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSideGeorgia Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 No doubter: Adrian Houser Trade Value Maybes: Mike Tauchmann (1 cheap yr remaining) Steve Wilson Dan Altavilla No Trade Value, But Try to Move: Luis Robert Andrew Benintendi Not sure if someone would even consider: Austin Slater Tyler Gilbert Aaron Civale 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, PaleAleSox said: O’s will be sellers at the deadline. Makes our rebuild look successful. Remember the two O’s fans that come to Soxtalk to do prospect clutching and being cheap over the Cease deal? Edited July 20 by The Beast 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 17 minutes ago, SouthSideGeorgia said: No doubter: Adrian Houser Trade Value Maybes: Mike Tauchmann (1 cheap yr remaining) Steve Wilson Dan Altavilla No Trade Value, But Try to Move: Luis Robert Andrew Benintendi Not sure if someone would even consider: Austin Slater Tyler Gilbert Aaron Civale Robert has SOME value at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 Slater and Taylor definitely have value, too. Tyler Alexander could be a guy that a team who has missed out on every bullpen lefty gets with some DSL arm. And I really don't know if the Sox see Eisert as a dude going forward, or just a fix and flip candidate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 25 minutes ago, SouthSideGeorgia said: No doubter: Adrian Houser Trade Value Maybes: Mike Tauchmann (1 cheap yr remaining) Steve Wilson Dan Altavilla No Trade Value, But Try to Move: Luis Robert Andrew Benintendi Not sure if someone would even consider: Austin Slater Tyler Gilbert Aaron Civale Austin Slater is 41% better than league average against LHP. There will be plenty of teams looking to acquire him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Austin Slater is 41% better than league average against LHP. There will be plenty of teams looking to acquire him. Yep a team will trade for him to platoon in the postseason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Can't see them trading Robert if this recent surge is an indication of good things to come. It'd be a PR disaster. Sox aren't spending any money and are making big time bucks as a franchise so it doesn't hurt having one highly paid guy. Trading Robert will anger the casual fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 (edited) The White Sox would have to go 47-15 just to finish above .500, and they just knocked off their 3 easiest games of the third hardest schedule of the 2nd half. Edited July 20 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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