pcq Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 4 hours ago, TheBooneLoganEra said: I know your statement to be true. Im just pointing out how some posts read in this thread. I think we can be cautiously optimistic and understand that projections cant always account for everything. Especially with a young group of kids hungry to improve and a failure to account for positive momentum. Ishbia also provides and X factor we havent encountered before. We don't know how or when he'll contribute. The lineup is taking shape I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, pcq said: The lineup is taking shape I hope. It has some nice pieces but this is still one of the worst teams in baseball by pretty much every metric. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 9 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: My guess is Martin, Cannon and Smith in rotation. Burke, Vasil and Taylor in some capacity. Schultz early in the season. Hopefully Smith at some point. Plus returns from Adams, Thorpe, Bush etc at some point. I’m guessing they add at least one veteran starter too. If they’re smart, they go out and add someone like Cease who is awesome but also inconsistent enough not to get an insane deal. Start the season with Smith, Burke, and either Martin or Cannon (they can battle in spring). 5th starter spot should go to Taylor with Vasil as his piggyback. We should commit to developing Taylor as a starter next year IMO, even if his innings will certainly be limited. I know Schultz has lost a little bit of shine, but my guess is he will force his way into the rotation by May. He should come in and replace the weak link in the rotation, with the loser moving into a long relief role and possibly even serving as Schultz’s piggyback. Thorpe, Adams, & Bush will need some minor league seasoning, but could all fill in come June or July. Hagen Smith and McDougle could also push for spots by the middle of the season. Going to be a lot of options come the second half of the season if guys stay healthy, which is obviously always a big wild card. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 19 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: If they’re smart, they go out and add someone like Cease who is awesome but also inconsistent enough not to get an insane deal. Start the season with Smith, Burke, and either Martin or Cannon (they can battle in spring). 5th starter spot should go to Taylor with Vasil as his piggyback. We should commit to developing Taylor as a starter next year IMO, even if his innings will certainly be limited. I know Schultz has lost a little bit of shine, but my guess is he will force his way into the rotation by May. He should come in and replace the weak link in the rotation, with the loser moving into a long relief role and possibly even serving as Schultz’s piggyback. Thorpe, Adams, & Bush will need some minor league seasoning, but could all fill in come June or July. Hagen Smith and McDougle could also push for spots by the middle of the season. Going to be a lot of options come the second half of the season if guys stay healthy, which is obviously always a big wild card. Cease will have a QO attached so it won't be him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 5 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: 3:51 into this one! you were right on Joe West. "A joke to the umpiring profession" It is pretty hilarious that MLB had Joe West and Angel Hernandez on the same umpiring crew.....2 guys trying every time to stick up the the hinies of the White Sox....UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Made zero sense to keep Roberts, giving this guy another 20 million is ludicrous. Getz reasoning for keeping him was beyond nauseating. Amateur hour 101 GM. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Imagine 88 gets hot elsewhere along with vaughn and sheets what an indictment. It takes a 728 ops to lead the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 3 hours ago, Paulie4Pres said: It has some nice pieces but this is still one of the worst teams in baseball by pretty much every metric. They can't catch the ball that's for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 This was always the outcome, by the way. Nobody was going to pay what Robert is actually worth, with how he was performing. And if he was performing to his potential, the White Sox weren't trading him. There is a zero percent chance of the Sox winning any trade that involved Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 13 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Cease will have a QO attached so it won't be him. Someone more short term who is older like Merrill Kelly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 23 hours ago, T R U said: Its not, they have looked better and have been much better than last year. I don't think anyone has said otherwise. I think the key is - they are much better than last year and trending in much better direction - but they still have a long way to go and have a lot more work to do to show the development and drafting era is going to create a sustained pipeline of talent that can move this team from epically bad (last year) to really bad but improving (this year) to something that resembles mediocre and ascending. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 22 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: They're picking up the option. I didn't believe it before but they will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 7 hours ago, Paulie4Pres said: This was always the outcome, by the way. Nobody was going to pay what Robert is actually worth, with how he was performing. And if he was performing to his potential, the White Sox weren't trading him. There is a zero percent chance of the Sox winning any trade that involved Robert. The thing is, because of his inconsistent performance and injury history, no one knows what he is actually worth anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) 47 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: I said this in the Robert trade thread right after the deadline. I assume Getz discussed Robert’s option with Jerry and Jerry agreed to pick it up if the trade offers were crap. Otherwise, you would just accept a crappy offer. And yes, if they give Robert his buyout after the season, Getz should be fired. Edited August 2 by WhiteSox2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I said this in the Robert trade thread right after the deadline. I assume Getz discussed Robert’s option with Jerry and Jerry agreed to pick it up if the trade offers were crap. Otherwise, you would just accept a crappy offer. And yes, if they give Robert his buyout after the season, Getz should be fired. Yup, the only caveat would be if Robert gets injured to the point his 2026 season is compromised to some extent. Otherwise, that option has to be picked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 19 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Yup, the only caveat would be if Robert gets injured to the point his 2026 season is compromised to some extent. Otherwise, that option has to be picked up. Betting on Robert not getting hurt is kind of crazy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 3 hours ago, SoxBlanco said: Considering Bruce Levine probably doesn't even know what day of the week it is, I'd take anything he thinks or says with a large bag of salt. But Fox is right, they have to pick up his option now or look like bigger idiots than they already are. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Getz basically said they are picking up the option. Feel like he would have been way more diplomatic if it was still up in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Betting on Robert not getting hurt is kind of crazy. Yeah, I’m surprised that this aspect of it is somehow not being talked about more. We’re really still doing the “if talented injury prone guy can just stay healthy this could work” thing huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, PaleAleSox said: Getz basically said they are picking up the option. Feel like he would have been way more diplomatic if it was still up in the air. Wasn't it something more like there is a path to picking up his option? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 18 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Wasn't it something more like there is a path to picking up his option? I think the comment was "we anticipate him being here next year" nothing specific about the option itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 53 minutes ago, ptatc said: I think the comment was "we anticipate him being here next year" nothing specific about the option itself. Getz doubled down on that "we anticipate him being here" with something akin to "if we didn't, we would have taken a different path [at the deadline]." And then he mentioned Luis again after talking about adding in the offseason, calling him the "most valuable" part of the equation/lineup. It seemed pretty clear that (barring long term injury or egregious lack of production) they plan to pick up the option, though I guess you can interpret it as being open ended in regards to a potential trade. The more vague "we have time to decide" type comments were about Tauchman IIRC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 They will seek a lesser deal with Robert maybe 2 x 15 guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, pcq said: They will seek a lesser deal with Robert maybe 2 x 15 guaranteed. Extremely doubtful that Robert/Boras would entertain that. Robert has zero incentive to do it. He already gets $20 million for next season with the Sox looking likely to pick up his option. He then has another $20 million dollar option for 2027 or a $2 million dollar buyout. So he is pretty much guaranteed $22 million at this point, if not $40 million if both options get picked up. He either gets to be a free agent at age 29 after next season or at age 30 after 2027. Why would he agree to your proposed deal? Boras isn’t doing the Sox any favors. He would rather take Robert to free agency sooner rather than later. Edited August 2 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 A small thing about LRJ staying is that his 100th HR will come in a White Sox uniform now. I personally wouldn't have enjoyed him leaving at 99 and then getting that milestone elsewhere soon after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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