January 2Jan 2 3 hours ago, Lukakke Appling said: Are you at all concerned the Rays will try to push him down to 2 (assuming he’s still the clear 1) with their enormous pool, or am I just being paranoid? Not worried yet. It’s not really their style. Sox can just take the player. He’ll sign. Only potential issue is not knowing how much you have throughout rest of draft.
January 2Jan 2 4 hours ago, Lukakke Appling said: Are you at all concerned the Rays will try to push him down to 2 (assuming he’s still the clear 1) with their enormous pool, or am I just being paranoid? And even just the extra money they get in the top slot for the 5% overage adds up to some decent cash cash, let alone what they can save under slot.
January 2Jan 2 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Not worried yet. It’s not really their style. Sox can just take the player. He’ll sign. Only potential issue is not knowing how much you have throughout rest of draft. How can they even do that? If the Sox draft him, he either takes the deal or takes a massive gamble on going back to college to make $1-2 mil more on his contract next year? While delaying his free agency timeline by an entire year.
January 2Jan 2 7 minutes ago, ron883 said: How can they even do that? If the Sox draft him, he either takes the deal or takes a massive gamble on going back to college to make $1-2 mil more on his contract next year? While delaying his free agency timeline by an entire year. They will know his demands when they draft him. Also keep in mind the slot difference between pick 1 and 2 is almost a million dollars. If someone demands full slot and overplays their hand and drops from 1 to 2, they cost themselves a lot of money.
January 2Jan 2 22 minutes ago, ron883 said: How can they even do that? If the Sox draft him, he either takes the deal or takes a massive gamble on going back to college to make $1-2 mil more on his contract next year? While delaying his free agency timeline by an entire year. It won’t happen. This is overthinking.
January 2Jan 2 40 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: They will know his demands when they draft him. Also keep in mind the slot difference between pick 1 and 2 is almost a million dollars. If someone demands full slot and overplays their hand and drops from 1 to 2, they cost themselves a lot of money. The idea is they would have an above slot agreement at 2 on hand. But yes, I’m sure I’m overthinking.
January 2Jan 2 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: They will know his demands when they draft him. Also keep in mind the slot difference between pick 1 and 2 is almost a million dollars. If someone demands full slot and overplays their hand and drops from 1 to 2, they cost themselves a lot of money. Even if he has "demands", he has no leverage if they pick him 1st. If he wants 11m but they offer 10m, all he can do is go back to college which is a HUGE gamble.
January 2Jan 2 25 minutes ago, Lukakke Appling said: The idea is they would have an above slot agreement at 2 on hand. But yes, I’m sure I’m overthinking. But they can't do anything if the Sox pick him. What, he chooses to go back to college over a $1mil difference?
January 2Jan 2 1 minute ago, ron883 said: But they can't do anything if the Sox pick him. What, he chooses to go back to college over a $1mil difference? No, which is why this discussion is pointless. The Sox will sign the top pick in the draft, regardless of who it is.
January 2Jan 2 2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: No, which is why this discussion is pointless. The Sox will sign the top pick in the draft, regardless of who it is. That's what I thought. That's why I didn't understand this talk of "what if the Rays have a deal with him for more money."
January 2Jan 2 13 minutes ago, ron883 said: Even if he has "demands", he has no leverage if they pick him 1st. If he wants 11m but they offer 10m, all he can do is go back to college which is a HUGE gamble. And if the Sox make him the nominal offer, they get the 2nd overall pick as well as their regular 1st rounder in next year's draft.
January 2Jan 2 20 minutes ago, ron883 said: Even if he has "demands", he has no leverage if they pick him 1st. If he wants 11m but they offer 10m, all he can do is go back to college which is a HUGE gamble. No one else can offer him 11 mil in reality. Tampa would punt 5+ signings to save a million bucks to do it.
January 2Jan 2 9 hours ago, ron883 said: How can they even do that? If the Sox draft him, he either takes the deal or takes a massive gamble on going back to college to make $1-2 mil more on his contract next year? While delaying his free agency timeline by an entire year. Right. It’s unlikely 8 hours ago, ron883 said: That's what I thought. That's why I didn't understand this talk of "what if the Rays have a deal with him for more money." It’s not about losing the player. Sox slot will be around $11.3. Rays will be like $10.5. Rays have $20 million to spend. Nobody has ever gotten more than $9.3. The only issue is Rays theoretically offering full slot at 2 and Sox having to potentially pay more than they’d like to. They’ll take the player regardless. 8 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: No one else can offer him 11 mil in reality. Tampa would punt 5+ signings to save a million bucks to do it. TB and Pittsburgh both could easily. TB has $20 million and Pirates have $19
January 2Jan 2 58 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Right. It’s unlikely It’s not about losing the player. Sox slot will be around $11.3. Rays will be like $10.5. Rays have $20 million to spend. Nobody has ever gotten more than $9.3. The only issue is Rays theoretically offering full slot at 2 and Sox having to potentially pay more than they’d like to. They’ll take the player regardless. TB and Pittsburgh both could easily. TB has $20 million and Pirates have $19 And how much do we have? i realllllly want another comp pick in a Robert deal
January 2Jan 2 2 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: And how much do we have? i realllllly want another comp pick in a Robert deal Right around $18.6 million using the 5% overage.
January 2Jan 2 8 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: And how much do we have? i realllllly want another comp pick in a Robert deal I think if Seattle doesn’t land Marte or Donovan, maybe they can look to the Sox for Sosa. They have a comp pick too. And they once dealt their comp pick to us in a deal for a reliever. Edited January 2Jan 2 by Bob Sacamano
January 2Jan 2 2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Right. It’s unlikely It’s not about losing the player. Sox slot will be around $11.3. Rays will be like $10.5. Rays have $20 million to spend. Nobody has ever gotten more than $9.3. The only issue is Rays theoretically offering full slot at 2 and Sox having to potentially pay more than they’d like to. They’ll take the player regardless. TB and Pittsburgh both could easily. TB has $20 million and Pirates have $19 How many slots would they have to punt on to make it work? It would look like the Sox 2020 draft. You got Crochet and literally nothing else
January 2Jan 2 58 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: How many slots would they have to punt on to make it work? It would look like the Sox 2020 draft. You got Crochet and literally nothing else Jared Kelley never amounted to anything, but they heavily overslotted him in the 2nd round of that draft if I remember correctly. So it was Crochet, Kelley, and 3 “punt” picks.
January 2Jan 2 32 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said: Jared Kelley never amounted to anything, but they heavily overslotted him in the 2nd round of that draft if I remember correctly. So it was Crochet, Kelley, and 3 “punt” picks. I don’t think Bailey Horn was really a punt either
January 2Jan 2 In 2020, Horn’s slot was $386,600 and he signed for $150K. At least a partial punt. Crochet was slot. The problem was signing Kelley for $3 mill when his slot was $1,580,000. Kelley was a consensus first round talent. But it was a serious miss in a 5-round draft. In 2021 Montgomery signed for slot and they then reach for Kath $1.8 mill v. slot of $1,243,600. Some of the more recent over-slots look better. Some seem unnecessary (like over-slot for Smith).
January 2Jan 2 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: How many slots would they have to punt on to make it work? It would look like the Sox 2020 draft. You got Crochet and literally nothing else Barely any. They have a million picks. They could offer him like $11 million and just use the overage. They have two extra picks and $20 million to spend. The 5% overage gives them an extra $1 million. They could add that to the #2 pick and theoretically pay Cholowsky $11.5 million if they wanted (this is $2.2 million more than the record bonus) and they could still pay slot at every other pick. Edited January 2Jan 2 by Y2Jimmy0
January 2Jan 2 1 hour ago, GreenSox said: In 2020, Horn’s slot was $386,600 and he signed for $150K. At least a partial punt. Crochet was slot. The problem was signing Kelley for $3 mill when his slot was $1,580,000. Kelley was a consensus first round talent. But it was a serious miss in a 5-round draft. In 2021 Montgomery signed for slot and they then reach for Kath $1.8 mill v. slot of $1,243,600. Some of the more recent over-slots look better. Some seem unnecessary (like over-slot for Smith). They should’ve taken Konnor Griffin and I said it at the time too but this is what happens sometimes. Teams behind the Sox were offering Smith close to $8 million. They had to top it to reach a deal with him. I would’ve pivoted to Griffin or Wetherholt instead. They medical red flagged Wetherholt. Everyone missed on Griffin. Yikes
January 2Jan 2 My preference in 2024 was "anybody but Smith." I am more of a "do not draft" guy. I still don't quite get why Sox need to honor other teams' promises to him: He was a 3-year college player, so he had no leverage to not sign. Overslot obligation seems like another reason to pick someone else. Given that Sox philosophy is to overslot and punt, a comp pick would be particularly beneficial this year. Edited January 2Jan 2 by GreenSox
January 2Jan 2 Yeah, that's what I don't get. If Sox draft him and want to give him $10 million, what difference does it make if Tampa Bay offers him $12 million? I understand if its a high schooler or something.
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