4 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Trading Fauske is not it. He's ascending in an area of need. I like him more than Carlson long-term. Might be prospect hugging, but I'd rather not trade Bonemer/Fauske/Carlson yet. We are a bit ahead of schedule on contention and I think you primarily focus on rentals/eating money at this point.

That is major prospect hugging.

2 minutes ago, Baron said:

That is major prospect hugging.

Who are you willing to trade him to get? I could understand a younger guy with control like Detmers. You willing to trade him for a rental? For Chapman? For the very highly-paid Sonny Gray? For Michael Wacha?

8 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Who are you willing to trade him to get? I could understand a younger guy with control like Detmers. You willing to trade him for a rental? For Chapman? For the very highly-paid Sonny Gray? For Michael Wacha?

Yes to all. Jacob Gonzalez too should be used as a trade chip. Once Mune is back he's not going to be playing meaningful baseball for the White Sox.

That being said the Red Sox will absolutely welcome a team taking on more salary. Their desire is to shed as much money as possible.

Sox are 2 years ahead of where they should be. And they are still not one of the best contending teams in the league. I hope Getz doesn't mortgage the future just yet. Get solid guys that won't cost alot and stay the course.

14 minutes ago, Baron said:

Yes to all. Jacob Gonzalez too should be used as a trade chip. Once Mune is back he's not going to be playing meaningful baseball for the White Sox.

That being said the Red Sox will absolutely welcome a team taking on more salary. Their desire is to shed as much money as possible.

So you're going all in on this year, burning any and all future assets to compete this year? Fair enough. I would not be that aggressive in the first year of a competitive window, but I respect the passion.

2 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

So you're going all in on this year, burning any and all future assets to compete this year? Fair enough. I would not be that aggressive in the first year of a competitive window, but I respect the passion.

That's not all in at all. Don't be ridiculous.

Jacob is not going to play 1st base for the White Sox in their competitive years. He's not going to play 3rd base. Vargas is. He's about as blocked as a player can be.

You missed the second part of that post which is the Red Sox will allow a team to eat salary. They will. But they won't recieve junk in return.

3 minutes ago, Baron said:

That's not all in at all. Don't be ridiculous.

Jacob is not going to play 1st base for the White Sox in their competitive years. He's not going to play 3rd base. Vargas is. He's about as blocked as a player can be.

You missed the second part of that post which is the Red Sox will allow a team to eat salary. They will. But they won't recieve junk in return.

You said you were willing to trade Fauske to get basically anyone and then also added Gonzalez. Maybe I misinterpreted. Is there anyone you would make untouchable?

Somebody seems to keep leaking that the Sox won't be trading important prospects this season, so my guess is they'll take on big money, or pick off a guy like Adrian Houser who just got moved to the bullpen. Taking on money for Gray or Robbie Ray is probably attractive, and maybe only the Cards and Guards are in the similar position to take on that money. They've kicked the tires a couple of times on Michael Lorenzen. I don't think they go big.

3 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

You said you were willing to trade Fauske to get basically anyone and then also added Gonzalez. Maybe I misinterpreted. Is there anyone you would make untouchable?

Sorry individually I'd trade them. I don't think in a package together I would do that.

As much as I'm skeptical of Billy Carlson's future for the White Sox I wouldn't trade him absolutely. Not for two rentals where you have to eat money. I mean that's the crux of it. All depends on the type of deal. For rentals it shouldn't cost too much. But that doesn't mean that the trade team will recieve something with no upside.

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Somebody seems to keep leaking that the Sox won't be trading important prospects this season, so my guess is they'll take on big money, or pick off a guy like Adrian Houser who just got moved to the bullpen. Taking on money for Gray or Robbie Ray is probably attractive, and maybe only the Cards and Guards are in the similar position to take on that money. They've kicked the tires a couple of times on Michael Lorenzen. I don't think they go big.

Michael Lorenzen is a very good name to keep an eye on. Had a good start for the Rockies against the Twins.

However, I don't know how much upside you'll get.

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I think going "all in" this year would be ill advised. Stay the course and let some of these guys grow. Try to get as many bites at the apple as possible. They finally have depth throughout the system with positional players, don't go back to nothing. Then we'd have no pitching or hitting in the pipeline and we are right back to where we were.

20 minutes ago, Baron said:

Sorry individually I'd trade them. I don't think in a package together I would do that.

As much as I'm skeptical of Billy Carlson's future for the White Sox I wouldn't trade him absolutely. Not for two rentals where you have to eat money. I mean that's the crux of it. All depends on the type of deal. For rentals it shouldn't cost too much. But that doesn't mean that the trade team will recieve something with no upside.

Fair enough. For me Fauske > Carlson. I like the profile better. His hit tool looks better, plus, if they draft Roch, Carlson already redundant somewhat. Different strokes. But I likely wouldn’t trade either of them or Bonemer. Especially for a rental in a year that the Sox are very unlikely to make the WS.

41 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

I think going "all in" this year would be ill advised. Stay the course and let some of these guys grow. Try to get as many bites at the apple as possible. They finally have depth throughout the system with positional players, don't go back to nothing. Then we'd have no pitching or hitting in the pipeline and we are right back to where we were.

And looking at some of these fledgling "dynasties" (Baltimore, Detroit, Minnesota, Boston) and how quickly the wheels can fall off and the window slam shut, Getz should be planning on that happening to us. Vargas, C & B Monty, Meidroth, Ant-man, Peters, Teel, Schultz, and Martin, everybody looks great, but some of these guys are going to prove to be smoke and mirrors. Some are going to sustain that career-altering injury.

Offensively, everybody noteworthy graduated. Now, all you have at the upper levels is Quero, Bonemer, then it starts to thin out with Shelton and DiPino. All of the pitching that was close ran into injuries or setbacks, and we're talking about trading the only promising arm in AA (Gabe Davis).

As somebody higher up in this thread said, they're a year early. Ride it out, supplement with fixer-uppers, let the next wave percolate to the upper levels.

30 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

As somebody higher up in this thread said, they're a year early. Ride it out, supplement with fixer-uppers, let the next wave percolate to the upper levels.

We'd be fools to give up anything for rentals. I guess after the draft if you think you've got some depth in the lower minors at certain spots it might make sense to target some guys with cheap control but even than what you said. Sox gotta make sure they aren't in a situation like last rebuild where you go from a top 5 system to a bottom 5 system basically over night with graduations into MLB.

1 hour ago, Baron said:

Michael Lorenzen is a very good name to keep an eye on. Had a good start for the Rockies against the Twins.

However, I don't know how much upside you'll get.

Lorenzen and Houser wouldnt make any sense to me. Those guys stink.

7 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

We'd be fools to give up anything for rentals. I guess after the draft if you think you've got some depth in the lower minors at certain spots it might make sense to target some guys with cheap control but even than what you said. Sox gotta make sure they aren't in a situation like last rebuild where you go from a top 5 system to a bottom 5 system basically over night with graduations into MLB.

Idk, everyone is talking about windows... but who knows how long those are open for. This team has so little pitching I'm seeing a Orioles type situation where they need to figure out which position players are expendable and maximize them.

26 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Idk, everyone is talking about windows... but who knows how long those are open for. This team has so little pitching I'm seeing a Orioles type situation where they need to figure out which position players are expendable and maximize them.

I'd have to be privy to Ishbia's instructions to have a better opinion but if they are going to have to add payroll, either through a new CBA or a new energy from ownership, then there's a 3rd starter and two good bullpen pieces right there, or two good starters even. If we have 60 million to play with in the offseason I'd rather spend that than deplete the lower minors of position players. Quantity has a quality of its own imo and we have some decent quantity.

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3 hours ago, DirtySox said:

Trading Fauske is not it. He's ascending in an area of need. I like him more than Carlson long-term. Might be prospect hugging, but I'd rather not trade Bonemer/Fauske/Carlson yet. We are a bit ahead of schedule on contention and I think you primarily focus on rentals/eating money at this point.

Exactly my thoughts.

Carlson, Gonzales and if anyone is thinking they can fix Hagen would be the 3 that SHOULD be offered up for anything to help this year.

Bonemer or Fauske only in discussion if it's for a pitcher with 3 years+ control. I do think the draft will help "refill the cupboard" and knowing whether it's Roch or Emerson helps you on the expendable mapping.

This team needs a pitcher or two NOW and in 2 years.

My guess is Getz will trade for bullpen arms and keep running the young guys out there. Assuming we make the playoffs, it's typically a bullpen battle.

3 hours ago, Timmy U said:

Fair enough. For me Fauske > Carlson. I like the profile better. His hit tool looks better, plus, if they draft Roch, Carlson already redundant somewhat. Different strokes. But I likely wouldn’t trade either of them or Bonemer. Especially for a rental in a year that the Sox are very unlikely to make the WS.

To me, Bonemer is an untouchable. Carlson, Fauske, & Gonzalez are in the next tier where I’m only moving them for a controllable SP and if they are essentially the centerpiece. Hagen, McDougal, & Sandlin would also be in this tier and the same rules would apply. I would not package two of those guys together either. As such, we’d be a long shot for a controllable SP and that’s ok in my book.

Almost anyone would theoretically be available, although there are guys I’d try like hell to avoid trading, such as Oppor, Larson, & Wolkow. Again, this will limit what we can do at the deadline, but I think we can still address the rotation & bullpen using our lessor prospects and financial means.

And beyond it being year one of our controllable window, I also don’t think it makes sense to pay a premium for a controllable SP ahead of a lockout. Feels like there is risk that part of the control you’d be paying up for could get washed away in a work stoppage. As such, I’d rather keep my best trade chips for the offseason and once things have settled.

6 hours ago, Timmy U said:

Personally, I would not trade Fauske. If he could be Grady Sizemore (a guy who was in fact traded as a prospect), you're going to regret it for a decade. Boughton, sure. Any and all of the older college guys including pitchers, absolutely. But you start trading your overslot guys like Fauske and Bonemer, you are eating the seed corn.

I just think teams will ask for him.

12 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

I don't think the Jays are quite out of it yet. They're only 2.5 games out of a wild card spot.

3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Idk, everyone is talking about windows... but who knows how long those are open for. This team has so little pitching I'm seeing an Orioles type situation where they need to figure out which position players are expendable and maximize them.

I would not say we have “so little pitching”, but rather that we have a lot of “uncertainty with our pitching”. Martin, Burke, & Schultz (if healthy) look like 3/5 of a major league rotation. There are a lot of internal options for the other two spots in Sandlin, McDougal, Hagen Smith, Shane Smith, Adams, Thorpe, & Bush. No doubt we should probably add a TOR starter, but ideally that can be done in free agency. If not, we may need to trade for one, but I’d rather make that decision in the off-season or next year’s deadline than do so right now.