5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

So do former 1st rounders who weathered two whole seasons of unremarkable minor league results until they decided to try something else.

It's not just about the pick it's also the slot money. You know all this. If this comp pick allows them to select somebody they think is a stud, that frees them up to deal from depth at that position now.

I get that you liked Gonzo. I think he's a nice story and could possibly work his way into a starting role with more at-bats.

Will soon find out.

In a much tougher league this season.

Trade won't provide definitive results for at least 4-5 seasons.

Right when Getz is trying to retain his position with Ishbia.

2 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

Yearly reminder that yes, the slotted picks are expected to sign.

38 minutes ago, bmags said:

I would say there have been few Chicago white Sox player forecasts that didn’t assert extremely rosy WAR as guarantees. He’s not very fast, he doesn’t hit for power, he slaps it the other way. Cool. Never seen the league adjust to make that the downside of a projection that’s for sure

Is this a dig at my player projections? If so, please provide some examples of all these “rosy WAR guarantees” I have made. I’m happy to be humbled, but don’t appreciate digs that come without any specifics.

And yes, he’s slow as f***. I fully disagree with you on his power though. In AAA, his 90th % EV was in the 80th percentile and his hard hit rate in the 76th. More importantly, his max EV was in the 95th percentile. Was his HR output inflated from playing half his home games at Truist? No doubt, but dude was hitting the s%*# out of the ball with his new stance. And he was doing this all with good swing decisions and solid in-zone contact to boot.

I’m excited for an extra pick and the extra bonus dollars it comes with. I just feel like this is an overpay to get those luxuries.

11 minutes ago, wegner said:

He actually wasn't any good in the majors is an interesting take.

He put up below average production in the bigs. I get it that he'll only get better, and there was a 9 game slump in the middle of that.

A weak draft that's getting weaker by the day... Sox are all in.

Meanwhile big league team is competing and we're selling off for 4 years from now.

Classic Getz.

41 minutes ago, wegner said:

But will they?

That’s the $200M+ question.

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

He put up below average production in the bigs. I get it that he'll only get better, and there was a 9 game slump in the middle of that.

He broke out of that slump. What I am saying is that against major league pitching he did not look like a guy that could only hit at Charlotte. Plus he played good defense at not his natural position.

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

That’s the $200M+ question.

I see what you did there 🍻

6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

A weak draft that's getting weaker by the day... Sox are all in.

Meanwhile big league team is competing and we're selling off for 4 years from now.

Classic Getz.

This team isn't winning anything this year, I am not surprised they are trying to draft for sustained success. We need to find pitching though

7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

A weak draft that's getting weaker by the day... Sox are all in.

Meanwhile big league team is competing and we're selling off for 4 years from now.

Classic Getz.

I'm confused. What other time did Getz have his team competitive and then traded off players for future prospects?

9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

A weak draft that's getting weaker by the day... Sox are all in.

Meanwhile big league team is competing and we're selling off for 4 years from now.

Classic Getz.

Helping out Ishbia to hit the ground running...

4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I'm confused. What other time did Getz have his team competitive and then traded off players for future prospects?

They've never been competitive under Getz...until now.

Now how much he was for or against selling off pieces in 2022-23, we have no idea.

Or if those could even be termed as competitive teams...ofc he wasn't officially the GM yet either.

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5 minutes ago, wegner said:

He broke out of that slump. What I am saying is that against major league pitching he did not look like a guy that could only hit at Charlotte. Plus he played good defense at not his natural position.

Oh, I was completely bought into Gonzo. He passed the eye test and had a sweet swing. He didn't look overmatched, at times. I think he was still raw and required at-bats to continue to develop in the bigs, at-bats the White Sox didn't have for him. I also believed he was solid, defensively. I just think he's what a comp pick costs on the eve of the draft. It might be a slight overpay, but that comp pick gives Getz a lot of leeway not only with the actual pick, but playing around with the bonus pool.

5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

2016 lol

Chris. Getz. As GM.

26 minutes ago, nrockway said:

That's typically how draft picks work. You hope they're good in the future. Is Roch Chowalsky good? Maybe one day. Would you trade, I dunno, a 1 WAR player for Roch? He's an unknown commodity, you know, kinda risky.

I don't understand this board's new love affair for Gonzalez. It smells like Tim Elko or Jake Burger, overrating the flavor of the month (I wish I looked at this board when Yermin was playing). I liked the pick when he got drafted (nobody else did) and didn't write him off immediately. But he isn't some star waiting in the wings, he's a middling player with no where to play on this team. He hasn't actually been good in MLB, his only professional success is 200 at bats at AAA. He's essentially a replacement level player who will be a good injury substitute for Konnor Griffin, and in two months when Griffin is back in the lineup, the Pirates will have traded a first rounder for a bench player who almost certainly won't challenge Brandon Lowe for starting 2B.

In reality, it's a major developmental W to make Gonzalez look semi-useful and get an actual asset for him. It's wise to not lay off the gas on the rebuild by trading Gonzalez for some 5 ERA starting pitcher and continuing to acquire future assets. It's pointless to have in sit on the bench or cycle between AAA and MLB and reduce his value by eating his options. Wish him good luck,

Just fully disagree with you on the evaluation of the player and certainly don’t agree we had to trade him now because he was blocked.

Jacob Gonzalez had zero future on this team. There is nowhere he could play, unless someone got injured. So it was absolutely the right move to trade him to clear a 40 man spot.

The only question is whether we could have gotten more for him from a different team. I’m not so sure we could have, but nobody really knows for sure.

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Oh, I was completely bought into Gonzo. He passed the eye test and had a sweet swing. He didn't look overmatched, at times. I think he was still raw and required at-bats to continue to develop in the bigs, at-bats the White Sox didn't have for him. I also believed he was solid, defensively. I just think he's what a comp pick costs on the eve of the draft. It might be a slight overpay, but that comp pick gives Getz a lot of leeway not only with the actual pick, but playing around with the bonus pool.

I think the Pirates GM won that trade.

Jacob had years of control

At least it's kinda fun to be pissed or happy about trades again

3 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

Jacob Gonzalez had zero future on this team. There is nowhere he could play, unless someone got injured. So it was absolutely the right move to trade him to clear a 40 man spot.

The only question is whether we could have gotten more for him from a different team. I’m not so sure we could have, but nobody really knows for sure.

I think a magic situation opened up with the Pirates looking for bullpen arms, and Konnor Griffin getting injured. Getz probably overpaid a bit, but if he can max out this draft class, it will have been worth it.

25 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

So do former 1st rounders who weathered two whole seasons of unremarkable minor league results until they decided to try something else.

It's not just about the pick it's also the slot money. You know all this. If this comp pick allows them to select somebody they think is a stud, that frees them up to deal from depth at that position now.

I get that you liked Gonzo. I think he's a nice story and could possibly work his way into a starting role with more at-bats.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m super excited for what this means for the draft. I just think it feels like we overpaid a bit for this specific draft pick so we could have the highest bonus pool possible. And candidly, it’s hard for me to ignore the production history of guys taken in the Comp A round and just assume the best case scenario for us. I’m an optimistic guy by nature, but don’t like this trade on paper. I may feel differently tomorrow once I see what Shirley was able to accomplish though.

Chicago White Sox 2nd Round Picks in the MLB June Amateu...

Trayce Thompson/Ryan Sweeney

Jeff Weaver and Bob Wickman the only successful second round picks...ofc not with the Sox, for the most part

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I will say I’m intrigued by how much money they now have to spend in this draft. They will basically be able to restock the system in one day and I trust Shirley’s decisions. Tomorrow will be fun.

3 minutes ago, wegner said:

I think the Pirates GM won that trade.

Jacob had years of control

At least it's kinda fun to be pissed or happy about trades again

I agree with you that the Pirates "won" the trade. I just think that Getz accomplished what he set out to do, and there's other paths than a Gonzo trade for a starting pitcher.

Who knows how we will leverage the pick, but I like the fact that for once our org is actually being progressive and valuing these sorts of selections.

Past regimes only focused on the here and now and this move shows a long view. It isn’t a no brainer move by any means - gonzo is going to be a solid big leaguer, who happened to be stuck in a roster jam.

If Sox move him down and keep going back and forth he could easily end up seeing his value go down so at least if they moved they are moving at a high (he couldn’t really make his value any better with Sox given limited opps he’d get while rest of roster is healthy).

I’m curious if there is anything they see in this lefty and whether we can see them turn him into something. Stuff seems to play but boy he hasn’t produced down in minors.

But I love having a chance at continuing to build and lean in with a pool now in excess of 20M.

Gonzo will play so good move for Pirates too. Solid cost controlled player who can play around the field.

41 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

The crappy reliever we got appears to be a bit more exciting than the one we gave up and doesn’t require a 40 man spot yet. He is Rule 5 eligible this fall, so if he’s any good it doesn’t really help with the roster crunch.

Will the new guy just take Eiserts place or is McDougal ready?