5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Venable said he never considered walking PCA in the 10th. He was more afraid of Suzuki.

This is bad logic

2 minutes ago, Jake said:

Well a good challenge is one you win. Sam in particular has absolutely brutally-timed challenges and so frequently on pitches that aren't even close. I don't know why he does that. Sam and Mune are both high-volume, low-success challengers who often use them early. I'll give catchers more grace on firing off the challenges relatively early. I think that's the Sox philosophy too that they really don't want the hitters burning challenges at all. Yet Sam loves the "I'm fooled the first time seeing a pitcher and have to challenge it early in the count" challenge. Have to tie his hands at this point

Especially a guy that should be able to make a lot of contact and isn’t a power threat

4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Venable said he never considered walking PCA in the 10th. He was more afraid of Suzuki.

That’s laughable. PCA is the best player in MLB, and you don’t let him beat you. Take my chances with Suzuki…PCA was also seeing the ball well in this game. Venablehas been very disappointing lately. imo.

Always disappointing to lose to the Cubs especially when you had a great shot against them.

10th time this season the Sox had a lead in the 7th inning or later and lost the game.

BUT it's the third time this has happened in the last 11 games. Something to keep an eye on.

Given the pitching situation this may have been their best chance to win at Wrigley.

This division hasn't been won yet, not even close.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by Lip Man 1

1 minute ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Always disappointing to lose to the Cubs especially when you had a great shot against them.

10th time this season the Sox had a lead in the 7th inning or later and lost the game.

BUT it's the third time this has happened in the last 11 games. Something to keep an eye on.

Given the pitching situation this may have been their best chancer to win at Wrigley.

This division hasn't been won yet, not even close.

Last four losses have been one they needed to pull out.

3 minutes ago, hankchifan said:

That’s laughable. PCA is the best player in MLB, and you don’t let him beat you. Take my chances with Suzuki…PCA was also seeing the ball well in this game. Venablehas been very disappointing lately. imo.

Yep, and the worst part was how confidently he was answering the questions about it. Like he was sure he made the right decision. What a boner…

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by WhiteSox2023

23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Underwhelming stuff? He had stuck out 13.5 per 9 coming into tonight. His issue is command / control. The velocity stuff is overplayed around here.

He has elite extension, so the velocity isn't as big of an issue. The bigger issues are his control and that his velocity dips a lot if he has to go past the first inning. For someone who has aspirations to be a starter, that can't happen.

Hagen has a quite extreme release point and he throws harder than most guys who release it so far to the side. Most of those guys have fastballs that play well above their velo and shape metrics. He pairs it with high extension which is also unusual and helps a fastball play above the velo reading. The other thing that is true of most of the few guys who release it where he does is that they struggle to throw strikes. Most similar release point to Hagen's in the league is actually Bryan Hudson, whose career has been defined by whether he can fill up the zone. You can see how Hudson gets by: he just kinda aims at the middle of the zone and lets the chips fall where they may (usually the batter fails to square up a 91mph heater in the meat of the plate)

4 minutes ago, MexSoxFan#1 said:

Between Rogers and Romo? Gimme Romo, so far what I've seen, Romo has a better feel of the strike zone, Rogers literally cost us the 9th. Rogers is even worse on offense than Romo too. Romo at least has home run potential. I see nothing on offense from Rogers and he isn't close to Pudge Rodriguez level defense to offset his shitty ABs

No between Romo and everyone else who caught this year.

Catcher Situation White Sox Record Win %

Drew Romo Starts 33–13 .717

All Other Catchers (Quero, Teel, McGuire, Rogers)26–43 .377

Also 5 shutouts when he's catching or 1 every 9 games versus 3 for the other catchers or 1 every 23 games.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Venable said he never considered walking PCA in the 10th. He was more afraid of Suzuki. It was never an option.

He wanted to get PCA out with lefty Hagen and then he would have walked Suzuki.

Has Will Venable been smoking crack?

10 minutes ago, fathom said:

We need better from the deadline guys. Castillo wasn’t bad, wasn’t great tonight. Two of three games where he didn’t give you innings. Doyle has been bad and Brazoban hasn’t been great. They desperately needed another starter to cover these innings.

Yeah Castillo not making it out of the 5th in 2 of his starts where the bullpen was absolutely gassed is not something you want out of a guy who is supposed to be a workhorse veteran.

3 minutes ago, Jake said:

Hagen has a quite extreme release point and he throws harder than most guys who release it so far to the side. Most of those guys have fastballs that play well above their velo and shape metrics. He pairs it with high extension which is also unusual and helps a fastball play above the velo reading. The other thing that is true of most of the few guys who release it where he does is that they struggle to throw strikes. Most similar release point to Hagen's in the league is actually Bryan Hudson, whose career has been defined by whether he can fill up the zone. You can see how Hudson gets by: he just kinda aims at the middle of the zone and lets the chips fall where they may (usually the batter fails to square up a 91mph heater in the meat of the plate)

Right, if Hudson can get by in the low 90s, Smith should be fine throwing 95. At least from a velocity perspective.

Hudson opening tomorrow

4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

No between Romo and everyone else who caught this year.

Catcher Situation White Sox Record Win %

Drew Romo Starts 33–13 .717

All Other Catchers (Quero, Teel, McGuire, Rogers)26–43 .377

Also 5 shutouts when he's catching or 1 every 9 games versus 3 for the other catchers or 1 every 23 games.

Oh so this is why they kept Romo around this whole time.

1 minute ago, fathom said:

Hudson opening tomorrow

So is Urquidy the bulk reliever then?

2 minutes ago, chw42 said:

Right, if Hudson can get by in the low 90s, Smith should be fine throwing 95. At least from a velocity perspective.

It’s more the question of what happened to his fastball though? Considering this is out of the pen. I would have thought he’d be at 97-98. We live in an era where Anthony Kay can hit 97 as a starter.

1 minute ago, chw42 said:

So is Urquidy the bulk reliever then?

Fedde

Alright, I've decided I'm already over it.

Played a sloppy game with the B lineup on the road, it took a selectively blind ump and most of the leverage arms being unavailable to help them lose it.

Would have loved the win and I think they should have had it, but the sweep in Detroit was a much bigger deal so I'll trade losing to an NL team today for that.

They bounced back after losing game 1 of the previous crosstown, just find a way in these next two to come home with a winning road trip and keep it moving.

Not happy.

6 minutes ago, chw42 said:

He has elite extension, so the velocity isn't as big of an issue. The bigger issues are his control and that his velocity dips a lot if he has to go past the first inning. For someone who has aspirations to be a starter, that can't happen.

But so does Hudson...who is much more effective with a 92-94 mph fastball.

2 minutes ago, chw42 said:

Oh so this is why they kept Romo around this whole time.

Cali has convinced me

5 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Has Will Venable been smoking crack?

1 minute ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

Alright, I've decided I'm already over it.

Played a sloppy game with the B lineup on the road, it took a selectively blind ump and most of the leverage arms being unavailable to help them lose it.

Would have loved the win and I think they should have had it, but the sweep in Detroit was a much bigger deal so I'll trade losing to an NL team today for that.

They bounced back after losing game 1 of the previous crosstown, just find a way in these next two to come home with a winning road trip and keep it moving.

The Cubs are not equal to just another NL team in the eyes of most Chicagoans.

25% would trade a one-sided first round playoff loss for sweeping the Cubs at Wrigley.

1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

The Cubs are not equal to just another NL team in the eyes of most Chicagoans.

25% would trade a one-sided first round playoff loss for sweeping the Cubs at Wrigley.

I hate the Cubs more than anyone, and that’s ridiculous

1 minute ago, chw42 said:

Oh so this is why they kept Romo around this whole time.

Not sure they knew but you'd think they either don't put much stock in it or ignore it. Supposedly the tweet with this info went viral but I think I've been the only one who mentioned it and I don't pay attention to X. I first saw it in MLB trade rumors in the comments section . Then I guess later it popped up in a tweet. I mentioned it a couple of days ago.

The numbers are different though like yeah they said the same general result but I think the one in MLBTR had Romo 10 games above .500 not 20 so I don't know what the true results are.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by CaliSoxFanViaSWside