14 hours ago14 hr I would like to see 2 changes to the game. ABS is used on every pitch for balls and strikes. The 26-man roster is expanded to 28 and the ghost runner is no longer used for extra innings.
13 hours ago13 hr 43 minutes ago, Falstaff said:I would like to see 2 changes to the game.ABS is used on every pitch for balls and strikes.The 26-man roster is expanded to 28 and the ghost runner is no longer used for extra innings.I am fine with a ghost runner, but start the runner on first. Starting a RISP tilts the deck too far in favor of the offense. Having a runner on first can fulfill the MLBPA/MLBs wishes to shorten extra inning games and increase "excitement" while not fostering a situation that is unduly inequitable to the pitching/defense.
13 hours ago13 hr I like the limited number of challenges in principle.That said, I hate that when an ump is really bad, it still has a significant impact on the game.So my solution is that at the end of each inning, based on the ABS-based grading system for the previous inning, they announce whether each team gets an additional challenge. For example, if the ump blows 3 calls in a particular inning (that go unchallenged), each team gets an additional challenge that they can use starting in the next inning.That way we can get more calls right, and we can publicly shame the shitty umps.
13 hours ago13 hr So far I have actually like the way ABS challenges have worked. They haven't materially slowed down the game, which was my primary worry.
13 hours ago13 hr I agree on all this, but strongly agree on full-time ABS for balls and strikes. There's nothing romantic or game-enhancing about an ump using his textured human judgment to say a ball was inside a box when it was really outside it. You could have 100% correct calls, and avoid the game slowdowns that come from the current challenges. It's clear there will still be games (like last night), and eventually very important games, decided by bad calls under the current system. Not sure why you wouldn't eliminate that when you so easily can. Edited 13 hours ago13 hr by 35thstreetswarm
13 hours ago13 hr It sucks when your team blows their challenges and then the umps get really generous in the strike zone. It feels like there should be some sort of override if something is really egregious but I’m not sure how it would be implemented. I don’t think there would be a sky ump like in football who would auto change a call
12 hours ago12 hr 21 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:I think it's perfect right now. I love love both.I don't have a problem with either. Maybe reset challenges back to 2 each every 3 innings so they don't run out early?
12 hours ago12 hr 1 hour ago, Falstaff said:I would like to see 2 changes to the game.ABS is used on every pitch for balls and strikes.The 26-man roster is expanded to 28 and the ghost runner is no longer used for extra innings.That's 3 changes
12 hours ago12 hr If you are going to keep the ghost runner they need to make loses in extra innings count less like hockey does with overtime losses. Bring back ties with an extra "point" going to the extra innings winner.
12 hours ago12 hr 34 minutes ago, CityFan53 said:I am fine with a ghost runner, but start the runner on first. Starting a RISP tilts the deck too far in favor of the offense. Having a runner on first can fulfill the MLBPA/MLBs wishes to shorten extra inning games and increase "excitement" while not fostering a situation that is unduly inequitable to the pitching/defense.The following observations are probably "apropos of nothing," as Sheryl Crow might say, but I was just thinking how the ghost runner ultimately didn't factor into last night's game at all--- in the top of the 10th we couldn't manage to score even WITH a ghost runner, and in the bottom of the 10th Petey's homer would've won the game even WITHOUT a ghost runner. Also, is "ghost runner" really an accurate term? How about "automatic runner", or "free runner?" I remember as a kid, when I'd play a game of baseball with my big brother, and it was just the two of us trying to conjure up as "real" a game as we could, if one of us got, for instance, a double, and then went back to bat again, we'd always announce, "Ghost man on second," meaning it was an imaginary man, because we didn't have enough real guys. So, because any given "Manfred" man is a real guy, is "ghost runner" an accurate term? P.S. I realize that if this is the biggest complaint I have today, my life is pretty damn good. (Addendum: my comments are not intended as an affront to any other commenter, but just as a more general thing!) Edited 11 hours ago11 hr by Bill The Boy
12 hours ago12 hr I'm okay with ABS, but maybe increasing teams' challenges to three per game. Umpires are still missing enough pitches to warrant more.As far as the ghost runner...first of all, it's not a ghost runner. Anyone who played backyard ball or wiffle ball knows a ghost runner means there's an imaginary runner on a base that runs the same speed as the actual runner behind them. Anyway, as far as that rule, I'm okay with the runner, but maybe not in the 10th. The 10th (and maybe 11th) inning is played normally, and the free runner is used once you get to the 11th or 12th.
12 hours ago12 hr 3 minutes ago, hogan873 said:I'm okay with ABS, but maybe increasing teams' challenges to three per game. Umpires are still missing enough pitches to warrant more.As far as the ghost runner...first of all, it's not a ghost runner. Anyone who played backyard ball or wiffle ball knows a ghost runner means there's an imaginary runner on a base that runs the same speed as the actual runner behind them. Anyway, as far as that rule, I'm okay with the runner, but maybe not in the 10th. The 10th (and maybe 11th) inning is played normally, and the free runner is used once you get to the 11th or 12th.Think I read where umpires missed nearly 1000 pitches last week
11 hours ago11 hr If the 'ghost runner' is so good for the game why isn't it used in post season play?Maybe it's not that good after all? 😉If you insist on trying to limit long extra inning games, do what they do in Japan. A tie game is declared after so many innings are played. Edited 11 hours ago11 hr by Lip Man 1
11 hours ago11 hr 14 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:If the 'ghost runner' is so good for the game why isn't it used in post season play?Maybe it's not that good after all? 😉If you insist on trying to limit long extra inning games, do what they do in Japan. A tie game is declared after so many innings are played.Bingo Ringo 👍
11 hours ago11 hr 1 hour ago, CityFan53 said:I am fine with a ghost runner, but start the runner on first. 56 minutes ago, hogan873 said:I'm okay with the runner, but maybe not in the 10th. The 10th (and maybe 11th) inning is played normally, and the free runner is used once you get to the 11th or 12th.I like both of these compromises. A game ending in a tie or "half point" just doesn't sit right with me.
11 hours ago11 hr I'd be interested to see what impact ABS has had on overall ball-strike calls by umpires. Limiting challenges to two makes sense if the real aim is to cause fundamental changes in how well umpires call games....common sense and ego says they don't want to get shown up on the scoreboard in front of 30k people so they're going to call every pitch in every game as well as they can. But if their performance is relatively unchanged or worsening, then what's the point of them having that role within a ball game? Part of me believes these first few years of ABS is just to build a solid, data-driven case against the ump union next time they're up for a new deal. A few years of data showing just how awful they are will go a long way in any arbitration hearings.
11 hours ago11 hr 25 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:If the 'ghost runner' is so good for the game why isn't it used in post season play?Maybe it's not that good after all? 😉If you insist on trying to limit long extra inning games, do what they do in Japan. A tie game is declared after so many innings are played.It’s kind of funny because on one hand you are saying do it like hockey and end in a tie in the season, but at the same time don’t do it like hockey and change the overtime rules in the playoffs
11 hours ago11 hr 18 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:It’s kind of funny because on one hand you are saying do it like hockey and end in a tie in the season, but at the same time don’t do it like hockey and change the overtime rules in the playoffsWhere did I say that I agree with the way things are done in hockey?And these are two different sports so it is not an apples to apples comparison anyway.Personally I say get rid of the ghost runner, period. End of story.If you have to play an 18 inning game, that's to bad. It is what it is. Deal with it. Edited 11 hours ago11 hr by Lip Man 1
11 hours ago11 hr 3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:Where did I say that I agree with the way things are done in hockey?And these are two different sports so it is not an apples to apples comparison anyway.Personally I say get rid of the ghost runner, period. End of story.If you have to play an 18 inning game, that's to bad. It is what it is. Deal with it.Im not saying that you mentioned hockey, im pointing out how It’s a pretty close comparison, but thank you for informing me that its different sports I didn’t know. Anyhow, in season, they do shootouts and games end in ties if not decided. Overtime rules change in playoffs to where they continue to play until it’s decided. Kind of like, I dunno, extra innings changing in baseball from Manfred man to a straight up play until it’s over. Except in your scenario you would prefer a tie in season instead of the Manfred man. Good talk
11 hours ago11 hr The ghost runner is a joke but as we all know it comes down to saving pitchers arms with the possibility of eliminating long extra innings games. About 2 months ago I posted that the way to get away from all this insanity in extra inning games is to just play 9 inning games with the possibility of ties with the system the NHL used for many decades which was 2 points for a win and 1 point for a tie. Just about every Soccer league in the World have no problems with games ending in ties with similar points distribution. There will some changes in strategy with a road team happily accepting the 1 point earned for a tie and the home team probably a bit upset.
10 hours ago10 hr Just give these idiot umpires an earpiece and relay the damn ball/strike call to them in real time. What are we doing?
10 hours ago10 hr 5 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:Im not saying that you mentioned hockey, im pointing out how It’s a pretty close comparison, but thank you for informing me that its different sports I didn’t know.Anyhow, in season, they do shootouts and games end in ties if not decided. Overtime rules change in playoffs to where they continue to play until it’s decided. Kind of like, I dunno, extra innings changing in baseball from Manfred man to a straight up play until it’s over. Except in your scenario you would prefer a tie in season instead of the Manfred man.Good talkAlways happy to help the uninformed.Again I prefer, as stated, the elimination of the ghost runner rule completely but if you must have something to eliminate 15 inning games (oh the humanity!) then yes I prefer a tie instead of this bastardized rule.I also would like to see the ABS system call every pitch in a game eliminating umpires who simply are terrible. Umpires would have three functions at home plate:Relay the ABS callDecide plays at that plateBe involved in rules discussion or interpretations.
9 hours ago9 hr 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said:Im not saying that you mentioned hockey, im pointing out how It’s a pretty close comparison, but thank you for informing me that its different sports I didn’t know.Anyhow, in season, they do shootouts and games end in ties if not decided. Overtime rules change in playoffs to where they continue to play until it’s decided. Kind of like, I dunno, extra innings changing in baseball from Manfred man to a straight up play until it’s over. Except in your scenario you would prefer a tie in season instead of the Manfred man.Good talkI love hockey but will not watch shootouts, if the game is still tied after the 5 minute overtime period I turn something else on or just go to bed.
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