GoodAsGould Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 11:41 AM) Thank you. Pittsburgh may have a good record right now, but it's not going to last, as their offense is incredibly bad. Also, they have two starters in Burnett and Bedard that aren't long-term solutions. Everyone likes how they're building that organization, but let's not give them too much props just yet. One other thing people need to realize is that teams like KC and Pittsburgh have spent big on the draft to quicken their rebuilding efforts, but a good chunk of these over-slot players are Boras clients. So they'll have these guys for six years and then they're likely off to the highest bidders. IMO, the Royals are in big trouble, because by the time they develop a half-way decent pitching staff, a bunch of their position players will be gone. What does that matter? Not everyone on your team is going to be long-term, hell we are losing Peavy/Youk next season most likely but that doesn't change what they are doing for us this season. You build from within the organization and take chances on guys like Burnett/Bedard to help get you where you need to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I'm one of those guys at always thinks the Royals will have a break out year.....well at least the last couple years. It'd be nice for him to be good again, they have good fans that are long overdue for some success. But a lot of times you have to spend money to creat success. And spending all that money for Gil Meche wasn't the right thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 12:36 PM) What does that matter? Not everyone on your team is going to be long-term, hell we are losing Peavy/Youk next season most likely but that doesn't change what they are doing for us this season. You build from within the organization and take chances on guys like Burnett/Bedard to help get you where you need to be. Because I'm talking about the long-term outlook of the franchise and that right there is 2/5 of a rotation to fill and we're not talking about stiffs. Balta made a comment as if the Pirates have finally broken through and that's just not true. The only reason the Pirates have been good this year is because of their pitching and they'll have to replace those two guys fairly soon or commit big dollars to them that will prevent them from doing other things. Plus their offense is garbage outside of one player. I just don't think they have a great major league core to build around yet. Not sure what you're even arguing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 05:18 PM) Because I'm talking about the long-term outlook of the franchise and that right there is 2/5 of a rotation to fill and we're not talking about stiffs. Balta made a comment as if the Pirates have finally broken through and that's just not true. The only reason the Pirates have been good this year is because of their pitching and they'll have to replace those two guys fairly soon or commit big dollars to them that will prevent them from doing other things. Plus their offense is garbage outside of one player. I just don't think they have a great major league core to build around yet. Not sure what you're even arguing here. I wouldn't feel like a team needs a multi-year run like the Rays to have "broken through" or become good of however we're going to say it. Pirates are right in the thick of things this year, 11 games above .500, leading the NL Central at the break with a better record than the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 04:23 PM) I wouldn't feel like a team needs a multi-year run like the Rays to have "broken through" or become good of however we're going to say it. Pirates are right in the thick of things this year, 11 games above .500, leading the NL Central at the break with a better record than the White Sox. Good for them. I'm actually cheering for them to win the division. I just don't think it's going to happen. Also, I hope you realize the Sox are much, much better team than the Pirates. I could care less what the records say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 04:37 PM) Good for them. I'm actually cheering for them to win the division. I just don't think it's going to happen. Also, I hope you realize the Sox are much, much better team than the Pirates. I could care less what the records say. Going into today the Sox and Pirates were tied. Not that it matter too much I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 03:23 PM) I wouldn't feel like a team needs a multi-year run like the Rays to have "broken through" or become good of however we're going to say it. Pirates are right in the thick of things this year, 11 games above .500, leading the NL Central at the break with a better record than the White Sox. That gets you a whole lot of nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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greg775 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 10:00 AM) Who would u cheer for if the Royals played the Marlins? Nobody; I wouldn't go to that game. What if Buehrle was pitching for the Royals against Ozzie? Would never happen; KC is too cheap to pick up a high paid pitcher. Kauffman is a great stadium, tho. looked great today at the Futures game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 As far as signing Meche, it was a "shot across the bow" that Glass and family were willing to spend big money to improve the team AND that Kansas City was an attractive free agency destination...unlike, say, Cleveland. Look at it as an investment in the future. And Meche at least did the honorable thing by retiring instead of collecting $11 million or whatever it was his final season. The one thing about the Rays which is most amazing (besides their use of statistics and shifts) has been how in God's name they've been able to get such consistent performances from that bullpen...which has changed names more than Hugh Hefner changes girlfriend and fiances but has still continued to produce Top 3-5 results in all of baseball on a yearly basis, seemingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I see David Glass walked out on a 610 radio interview yesterday after the questions turned to him possibly selling the team and asking him about spending money. The natives are really getting restless here. People think of the Midwest as friendly. Tonight the 40,000 at Kauffman Stadium booed Matt Cassel in the celebrity softball game heavily; the Missouri fans there rained boos on Bill Self and even former Royal Mike Sweeney got booed. I mean that is acting like Red Sox fans. Wow! Tonight at the Home Run Derby, Cano will be booed and jeered heavily for not picking Butler to compete. KC is the laughingstock of baseball the past 20 years and people here are really pissed. I mean booing Self and Cassel was embarrassing. And booing Sweeney? My god. What did he ever do??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I think they draft poorly and develop talent even more poorly. Add it up and it equals perennial last place finishes. They could have drafted guys like Longoria, Weiters and Braun but didn't. I'm older than you guys and when I was a kid the Sox were always looking up at KC in the standings, so I say f*** them, stay in the cellar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 02:37 AM) I see David Glass walked out on a 610 radio interview yesterday after the questions turned to him possibly selling the team and asking him about spending money. The natives are really getting restless here. People think of the Midwest as friendly. Tonight the 40,000 at Kauffman Stadium booed Matt Cassel in the celebrity softball game heavily; the Missouri fans there rained boos on Bill Self and even former Royal Mike Sweeney got booed. I mean that is acting like Red Sox fans. Wow! Tonight at the Home Run Derby, Cano will be booed and jeered heavily for not picking Butler to compete. KC is the laughingstock of baseball the past 20 years and people here are really pissed. I mean booing Self and Cassel was embarrassing. And booing Sweeney? My god. What did he ever do??? What in the world is wrong with Mizzou fans booing Bill Self? It's the biggest rivalry in the area. I'm sure a Mizzou coach would be booed by some Kansas fans too. And an NFL quarterback that makes big money and sucks will get booed in any town. Why they would boo Sweeney I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 The bad-news story circulating nationally during the All-Star Game feel-good week involves Frank White and the Royals. A primer: The Royals' best-ever second baseman quit his job as a community relations person after a pay cut a few years ago, Then he was basically fired as a broadcast analyst. The national media are paying attention, because White infamously has said he won't step foot inside Kauffman Stadium during the All-Star festivities. In a column in today's USA Today, White really brings his criticism of the Royals. "I'm done with the Royals. I just can't do it." And this: "I called my wife (Teresa) into the bathroom and told her, 'I can't take their crap anymore. I have to get away. If we have to sell everything we got, we've got to leave here, because I can't put up with these people.' Royals general manager Dayton Moore said he basically didn't understand why White felt the way he did, but also said everyone needs to move in the same direction in the organization. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/07/09/36969...r#storylink=cpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 06:41 PM) What in the world is wrong with Mizzou fans booing Bill Self? It's the biggest rivalry in the area. I'm sure a Mizzou coach would be booed by some Kansas fans too. And an NFL quarterback that makes big money and sucks will get booed in any town. Why they would boo Sweeney I have no idea. You had to be there. It was a shake your head, what the f*** is going on here atmosphere. They booed Self unmercifully each time at bat. It was stupid and out of place at an event like that. And the booing of Cassel was sickening. Again, just the mention of "Kansas City" should have brought out polite cheers. I blame it on the Internet age. Everybody hates everybody. It was ridiculous booing of the local people involved in the game. And booing Sweeney? WTF? These people are f***ing insane out here. They hate everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 01:11 PM) You had to be there. It was a shake your head, what the f*** is going on here atmosphere. They booed Self unmercifully each time at bat. It was stupid and out of place at an event like that. And the booing of Cassel was sickening. Again, just the mention of "Kansas City" should have brought out polite cheers. I blame it on the Internet age. Everybody hates everybody. It was ridiculous booing of the local people involved in the game. And booing Sweeney? WTF? These people are f***ing insane out here. They hate everybody. Booing does not = hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Greg, what do you expect on the Missouri side of the fence with Self? License plates for State of MO residents with Coach Self's image on them to help cut the budget shortfall? Cassell just had a really bad season for the Chiefs, showing that the patience of even the best fans is getting tested with that long and inconsistent rebuilding project. You can bet if the former coach of the Chiefs was playing, the boos would have been 10X louder....just be thankful you don't have to hear Ozzie getting booed until the Marlins play at USCF next year. Sweeney doesn't make ANY sense. Maybe it's frustration that he had so many injuries and kind of just faded out of existence. For 3-4 years there, he was Mr. KC Royals...especially after Damon/Dye/Beltran/Randa left and the only hope for the franchise was Greinke getting his act straightened out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 What a pathetic crowd in Kansas City, but thats not suprising either.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Booing on All-Star Weekend? I bet Chris Berman won't like that. Unlike Bristol I'm sure, we are so uncouth out here in the Midwest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 11:41 AM) One other thing people need to realize is that teams like KC and Pittsburgh have spent big on the draft to quicken their rebuilding efforts, but a good chunk of these over-slot players are Boras clients. So they'll have these guys for six years and then they're likely off to the highest bidders. IMO, the Royals are in big trouble, because by the time they develop a half-way decent pitching staff, a bunch of their position players will be gone. They've got a few pieces under team control for a while... Butler thru 2015 Gordon thru 2016 Crow thru 2016 Holland thru 2016 Collins thru 2016 Escobar thru 2017 Perez thru 2017 Hosmer thru 2017 Moustakas thru 2018 Cain thru 2018 QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Jul 8, 2012 -> 03:59 PM) I'm one of those guys at always thinks the Royals will have a break out year.....well at least the last couple years. It'd be nice for him to be good again, they have good fans that are long overdue for some success. But a lot of times you have to spend money to creat success. And spending all that money for Gil Meche wasn't the right thing to do. That was the most frustrating thing about this off-season. We've finally got a legit core of players, and a hell of a bullpen, but everybody knew the rotation was a joke IF everybody stayed healthy. The FO will go out and give Gil Meche 5-years/$55m or Jose Guillen 3-years/$36m when the team was nowhere near competing, but now they are actually close and wouldn't spend to upgrade the rotation. Pisses me off. QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 02:37 AM) I see David Glass walked out on a 610 radio interview yesterday after the questions turned to him possibly selling the team and asking him about spending money. The natives are really getting restless here. People think of the Midwest as friendly. Tonight the 40,000 at Kauffman Stadium booed Matt Cassel in the celebrity softball game heavily; the Missouri fans there rained boos on Bill Self and even former Royal Mike Sweeney got booed. I mean that is acting like Red Sox fans. Wow! Tonight at the Home Run Derby, Cano will be booed and jeered heavily for not picking Butler to compete. KC is the laughingstock of baseball the past 20 years and people here are really pissed. I mean booing Self and Cassel was embarrassing. And booing Sweeney? My god. What did he ever do??? Matt Cassel is a joke. He gets booed at Chiefs games right next door, so why wouldn't he at a Royals event? I'm a born and raised Jayhawk, but I understand the Mizzou fans booing Self. If a Mizzou coach were ever good enough to be selected to such an event, I'd boo him, and I expect a lot of people around here would. Keep in mind that the crowd isn't a majority of Royals' fans. A lot of Cardinal fans live in/near Kansas City. The Royals are Kansas' team, but with the stadium being located in Missouri, its hard to keep the trash out. I'm kind of surprised that Sweeney got booed that badly. Most people around here think he's a saint. I think he's a joke. He's always quick to point out that he never used steroids, but I think he's full of s***. As soon as he got good, he was hurt all the time. QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 01:19 PM) I think they draft poorly and develop talent even more poorly. Add it up and it equals perennial last place finishes. They could have drafted guys like Longoria, Weiters and Braun but didn't. I'm older than you guys and when I was a kid the Sox were always looking up at KC in the standings, so I say f*** them, stay in the cellar. Before Dayton Moore took over in 2006, we did draft and develop poorly. Since then things have changed a bit... QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 02:05 PM) The bad-news story circulating nationally during the All-Star Game feel-good week involves Frank White and the Royals. If Dayton really said he didn't know why Frank was upset, then he's a complete liar. Frank was booted for being critical of Royals players and coaches on their broadcasts. Only the Royals did it the chickens*** way, they had Fox Sports hire somebody else, Rex Hudler. Neither the Royals or Fox Sports ever even told Frank his contract wasn't being renewed. Frank's calls were not being answered or returned. It's ridiculous that a hometown hero is being treated the way he is by the Royals. QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 02:11 PM) You had to be there. It was a shake your head, what the f*** is going on here atmosphere. They booed Self unmercifully each time at bat. It was stupid and out of place at an event like that. And the booing of Cassel was sickening. Again, just the mention of "Kansas City" should have brought out polite cheers. I blame it on the Internet age. Everybody hates everybody. It was ridiculous booing of the local people involved in the game. And booing Sweeney? WTF? These people are f***ing insane out here. They hate everybody. No. QUOTE (Carter224 @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 07:04 PM) What a pathetic crowd in Kansas City, but thats not suprising either.. Yeah, we're the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 High mileage said: I'm kind of surprised that Sweeney got booed that badly. Most people around here think he's a saint. I think he's a joke. He's always quick to point out that he never used steroids, but I think he's full of s***. As soon as he got good, he was hurt all the time. I don't know about that. He doesn't seem like the type of guy to do the steroid thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 QUOTE (High Mileage @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 10:10 PM) I'm a born and raised Jayhawk, but I understand the Mizzou fans booing Self. If a Mizzou coach were ever good enough to be selected to such an event, I'd boo him, and I expect a lot of people around here would. BURN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 02:11 PM) You had to be there. It was a shake your head, what the f*** is going on here atmosphere. They booed Self unmercifully each time at bat. It was stupid and out of place at an event like that. And the booing of Cassel was sickening. Again, just the mention of "Kansas City" should have brought out polite cheers. I blame it on the Internet age. Everybody hates everybody. It was ridiculous booing of the local people involved in the game. And booing Sweeney? WTF? These people are f***ing insane out here. They hate everybody. Probably because 1) Self is a dick 2) It was ultimately his decision to end the Border Showdown. Mizzou wanted to continue it, he didn't. And for reference, I've always hated Self, before I went to Mizzou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 07:43 AM) BURN! Eh, at least we're competitive in sports other than basketball. While I love my friends on KU's Quidditch team, it never ceases to amaze me that they sold $10,000 worth of Kansas Quidditch shirts last year. They said because on campus that after basketball, there's no real sport to root for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I wonder what would have happened had Mike Anderson or Haith been there at the event and been booed? Would the fans have been accused of being racist? Or just hating Mizzou, the 50% of fans who go across the state line on I-435 from Johnson County (KS) to attend games? Self is a dick, if you're a fan of another team, just like AJ is, or John Calipari, or 50% of the golfers on the PGA tour. But, trying to think of a similar situation, I don't think I'd boo Bruce Weber or Bo Ryan ever as an Iowa fan. Maybe Lou Henson/Jimmy Collins, lol. So it's 50% the rivalry, 50% being a dick. Need both to qualify for a full boo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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