TheBigHurtIsBack Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 WTH? So we traded him for... things to be figured out later??? How the hell does that work? I've never heard of such a thing. Is there some sort of element in place to dictate what kind of deal can be worked out? I mean, say he comes back and ends up right back on the DL... what do we get then? How can something like this even work? How bizarre... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Baseball America had Mahtook in the Rays 2016 starting lineup in their prospect ranking last November. That was before acquiring Myers. Take it for whatever that's worth. But right now its all speculation, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 QUOTE (zenryan @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 09:31 PM) Baseball America had Mahtook in the Rays 2016 starting lineup in their prospect ranking last November. That was before acquiring Myers. Take it for whatever that's worth. But right now its all speculation, right? It's not even that, it was John Sickels taking a stab at the level of prospect we could get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (TheBigHurtIsBack @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 02:30 AM) WTH? So we traded him for... things to be figured out later??? How the hell does that work? I've never heard of such a thing. Is there some sort of element in place to dictate what kind of deal can be worked out? I mean, say he comes back and ends up right back on the DL... what do we get then? How can something like this even work? How bizarre... Haven't you heard of the age-old trade for a "player to be named later?" It has been very common in baseball history. I'm assuming like many have said that there are two lists the Sox can pick a player or two from - one if Crain indeed resumes pitching in games and another if he doesn't. I can't imagine them "working something out" later based on Crain's effectiveness. Certainly it's pretty cut and dried. It almost has to be, right? I mean there's no way they are going to evaluate Crain based on whether he's a key cog in them making the playoffs and/or winning the WS then sending us a player based on what he did for Tampa. I also would bet if the Rays want to trade any of the players on either list they have to clear it with the Sox. Just an educated guess. Anybody agree?? Edited July 30, 2013 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 07:12 PM) Anyone know anything about these guys? Joe Ostrowski @JoeO670 9m John Sickels(@MinorLeagueBall) guesses #WhiteSox will get Mikie Mahtook & Parker Markel for Jesse Crain. http://sbn.to/13UVZiX #Rays Collapse mlb.com... For two years in a row, starting with Mahtook and continuing with Richie Shaffer, the Rays were pleasantly surprised to have a top college bat still around for them in the later stages of the first round. This LSU star had a solid, albeit not spectacular, first full pro season, playing at two levels and reaching Double-A. A center fielder in college, he saw most of his time in 2012 in right field and definitely seems better suited for a corner spot. He does have above-average speed and with his good instincts on the bases, he's a threat to steal. While he didn't show a ton of power during his debut, the ball does jump off his bat and he has definite extra-base pop. He also has some overall hitting ability, though he'll have to tone down his approach a bit to reach his offensive potential. A former high school football player, he brings that kind of intensity to the baseball field regularly. Getting ready for football season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 05:01 AM) mlb.com... Getting ready for football season. Never tried one of those guys. Wonder how it will work out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 So did we give up money in this deal? If so, I don't understand why we'd potentially get money back as part of the return. Maybe they mean international bonus money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 WTH? So we traded him for... things to be figured out later??? How the hell does that work? I've never heard of such a thing. Is there some sort of element in place to dictate what kind of deal can be worked out? I mean, say he comes back and ends up right back on the DL... what do we get then? How can something like this even work? How bizarre... We don't have the details, but my guess is something like this: For the rest of the regular season, If Crain pitches in 0-9 games, Sox get cash only and no player If Crain pitches in 10-19 games, Sox get player X at the end of the season If Crain pitches in 20+ games, Sox get players X and Y at the end of the season TB has to agree not to trade players X and Y to anybody else for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 06:42 AM) We don't have the details, but my guess is something like this: For the rest of the regular season, If Crain pitches in 0-9 games, Sox get cash only and no player If Crain pitches in 10-19 games, Sox get player X at the end of the season If Crain pitches in 20+ games, Sox get players X and Y at the end of the season TB has to agree not to trade players X and Y to anybody else for the rest of the season. Keith Law speculated on BBTN that if he doesn't pitch or hardly pitches, we'll get 25K or something just to make it technically a trade with the commissioner's office Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 06:44 AM) Keith Law speculated on BBTN that if he doesn't pitch or hardly pitches, we'll get 25K or something just to make it technically a trade with the commissioner's office Ok, that makes some sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 06:40 AM) So did we give up money in this deal? If so, I don't understand why we'd potentially get money back as part of the return. Maybe they mean international bonus money? We did give up money to cover part of the contract in the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon1798 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I just wanted to come on here to post about Mikie Mahtook. I really hope that's who we get. I'm a long time White Sox fan here in Baton Rouge, LA. Mahtook is IMO exactly the type of player we need more of. He has a very good, very fast bat. But best of all, he's a blazer that only know how to play at one speed. He never takes a play off. Check out some of his youtube clips: That's just him, all the time. And if you're interested, some of his LSU highlights: I know his stats aren't spectacular thus far, and he's a college guy you would hope to move up fast. But I really think he's a special player. One of those guys that just makes the team better in so many ways. Helped LSU win the 2009 college world series. If nothing else, he's most definitely a guy that can get on, steal second, and score on a hit. Something I would like to see more of. Well, scoring in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 06:44 AM) Keith Law speculated on BBTN that if he doesn't pitch or hardly pitches, we'll get 25K or something just to make it technically a trade with the commissioner's office That means that Tampa absorbs zero of the risk that he can't return from the DL. Thus, if gets healthy and pitches , we should get closer to the package of players we would have gotten were he not on the DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I really want to know what this deal becomes of. I wonder somehow we can get Beckham and Markel from the Rays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 QUOTE (Jon1798 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:05 AM) I just wanted to come on here to post about Mikie Mahtook. I really hope that's who we get. I'm a long time White Sox fan here in Baton Rouge, LA. Mahtook is IMO exactly the type of player we need more of. He has a very good, very fast bat. But best of all, he's a blazer that only know how to play at one speed. He never takes a play off. Check out some of his youtube clips: That's just him, all the time. And if you're interested, some of his LSU highlights: I know his stats aren't spectacular thus far, and he's a college guy you would hope to move up fast. But I really think he's a special player. One of those guys that just makes the team better in so many ways. Helped LSU win the 2009 college world series. If nothing else, he's most definitely a guy that can get on, steal second, and score on a hit. Something I would like to see more of. Well, scoring in general. Welcome to Soxtalk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I went to high school with Mahtook's dad. He died passed away at a young age. Mikie Sr was all heart, just like the son. The LSU people loved the kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 10:35 PM) all heart... I'd love to have this guy on the Sox. Never seen someone as pumped up after making plays. We need this energy - it's infectious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Mahtook looks like the antithesis if Rios, and a few others. He must have played with Mitchell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (hi8is @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 01:51 AM) I'd love to have this guy on the Sox. Never seen someone as pumped up after making plays. We need this energy - it's infectious. Good players are infectious. Darin Erstad certainly didn't help the Sox win, but he brought plenty of energy to the table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 09:17 AM) Good players are infectious. Darin Erstad certainly didn't help the Sox win, but he brought plenty of energy to the table By "Infectious" you mean brought a disease into that 2007 team that crippled it, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 08:19 AM) By "Infectious" you mean brought a disease into that 2007 team that crippled it, right? In Erstad's case, yes. I hated that move from the second it happened. I still have a PM I sent Kalapse right after it saying how much I hated the move and that it would be OK if he were used properly but that Ozzie would totally start him and he would be the ultimate suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Just read in the Denver Post that Rockies' owner, Dickless Monfort, said that they aggressively tried to acquire Jesse Crain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Wonder what was their list of players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 08:22 AM) In Erstad's case, yes. I hated that move from the second it happened. I still have a PM I sent Kalapse right after it saying how much I hated the move and that it would be OK if he were used properly but that Ozzie would totally start him and he would be the ultimate suck. I can vouch for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 3, 2013 -> 08:34 AM) Just read in the Denver Post that Rockies' owner, Dickless Monfort, said that they aggressively tried to acquire Jesse Crain. BAHAHAHAHAH, what a name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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