witesoxfan Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 04:36 PM) I know. What I meant is we have too many players who hit .230 or under as is. Then why do you want another who does not have a lot of team controlled years left who was like the second worst catcher in the game last year? At least Phegley was a rookie getting his first taste of big league pitching. Arencibia was entering his 3rd full year as a starting player and put up that junk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Is JPA any kind of a defensive catcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 The question is this: is adding JPA thee best allocation of whatever resources it requires? Because he won't be "free" -- he'll either cost some amount of talent in a trade or a few million bucks to sign. Lots of teams will take a flyer on him at or around league minimum, we'd have to offer more PT or money to lure him from a contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 f*** man, JPA? Do we need another strike out king to compete with Dunn on this team? For f***s sake I thought the point of this off season was to improve a 99 loss team, not surpass that loss total in 14! There has to be a better option somewhere. See if peewee Herman is willing to don a catchers mask or something, just say no to JPA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 04:38 PM) The question is this: is adding JPA thee best allocation of whatever resources it requires? Because he won't be "free" -- he'll either cost some amount of talent in a trade or a few million bucks to sign. Lots of teams will take a flyer on him at or around league minimum, we'd have to offer more PT or money to lure him from a contender. I think the best hope for Arencibia is a guy like John Buck. I'm being overly harsh, but I also think guys like Flowers and Phegley can be like John Buck too. If you have 2 left shoes, should you try and acquire another left shoe or to try and find a right shoe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 04:47 PM) I think the best hope for Arencibia is a guy like John Buck. I'm being overly harsh, but I also think guys like Flowers and Phegley can be like John Buck too. If you have 2 left shoes, should you try and acquire another left shoe or to try and find a right shoe? I don't think you're being overly harsh -- I think that's about right. I think the argument for JPA is something like this: I'm pretty sure the left shoe I have won't work out once I try it on the job, I may as well hedge my bets and bring another one to work to increase the chance that I can get one of them to do be what I need. Is that enough to justify the cost of acquiring him? It's possible, if the price is low enough. However, there's also the opportunity cost to consider -- a flyer on JPA for next to nothing might be better than doing nothing at all, but it wouldn't be better than almost every other effort to improve the C position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 04:54 PM) I don't think you're being overly harsh -- I think that's about right. I think the argument for JPA is something like this: I'm pretty sure the left shoe I have won't work out once I try it on the job, I may as well hedge my bets and bring another one to work to increase the chance that I can get one of them to do be what I need. Is that enough to justify the cost of acquiring him? It's possible, if the price is low enough. However, there's also the opportunity cost to consider -- a flyer on JPA for next to nothing might be better than doing nothing at all, but it wouldn't be better than almost every other effort to improve the C position. I just hate the idea that Arencibia represents. My other qualm is this - Arencibia has somewhere around 1000-1500 plate appearances on his record. He has had some success at the MLB level. But in his 3rd season as a starter, he took a gigantic step backwards. We are ready to give up on Flowers and Phegley after half a season starting by each, and Arencibia took that step back in the 3rd. If Beckham had put up his .800/.680/.680 or whatever, and then came back with a .600 bomb, there's no question how people feel about him, regardless of the replacements on hand. That's how people should also feel and consider Arencibia. On a minor league deal - great, grand, wonderful. That's not going to happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 05:01 PM) I just hate the idea that Arencibia represents. My other qualm is this - Arencibia has somewhere around 1000-1500 plate appearances on his record. He has had some success at the MLB level. But in his 3rd season as a starter, he took a gigantic step backwards. We are ready to give up on Flowers and Phegley after half a season starting by each, and Arencibia took that step back in the 3rd. If Beckham had put up his .800/.680/.680 or whatever, and then came back with a .600 bomb, there's no question how people feel about him, regardless of the replacements on hand. That's how people should also feel and consider Arencibia. On a minor league deal - great, grand, wonderful. That's not going to happen though. Yeah I pretty much agree with all of this. There's just too much of a C shortage for us to be able to get him at a low enough price to make it worth it. Probably a bad fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Also, someone pointed out on Twitter that JPA is the only player ever to hit 20 HR while somehow managing a sub-600 OPS. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) It's only a few hours until we see a trade of Beckham for JPA and some low level minor leaguers (P Alan Farina and P Shane Dawson, and I just picked those names from my asshole). Edited December 2, 2013 by Chilihead90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 The Sox must really be flying under that trade radar if this is what we have to discuss LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I don't see any reason to think Arencibia will be anything but bad and the most frustrating kind of bad at that. At least when Phegley is the worst batter in baseball, you hardly notice him -- one swing and he's outta there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Don't the Sox have to announce tendering contracts to Beckham, De Aza, and Viciedo? Maybe somebody is getting traded in the next 5 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 05:39 PM) I don't see any reason to think Arencibia will be anything but bad and the most frustrating kind of bad at that. At least when Phegley is the worst batter in baseball, you hardly notice him -- one swing and he's outta there He is one of those guys who inexplicably could put up some really good numbers some season, but I agree with the poster who basically said the Sox already have Tyler Flowers. They don't need his twin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 05:59 PM) Don't the Sox have to announce tendering contracts to Beckham, De Aza, and Viciedo? Maybe somebody is getting traded in the next 5 hours. Certainly possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 We have to make a decision on Flowers tonight, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 07:17 PM) We have to make a decision on Flowers tonight, right? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I don't know who this guy on Twitter is and I also don't know what thread to put it in, so here: Brian Madsen @brianm731 3m Flowers re-signs. Paulie just made up his mind. He gone. #whitesox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 07:59 PM) I don't know who this guy on Twitter is and I also don't know what thread to put it in, so here: Brian Madsen @brianm731 3m Flowers re-signs. Paulie just made up his mind. He gone. #whitesox He's probably just some kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Axelrod non-tendered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 08:04 PM) Axelrod non-tendered. Dont have to watch the gas can again....good news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Just seeing the names Axelrod, Flowers, and Gimenez has been puke-worthy. Hopefully Hahn gets some s*** done over the next ten days. The Charlotte roster is shaping up nicely, but that offense is still looking like garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 07:59 PM) I don't know who this guy on Twitter is and I also don't know what thread to put it in, so here: Brian Madsen @brianm731 3m Flowers re-signs. Paulie just made up his mind. He gone. #whitesox It's a joke. He's implying Konerko wouldn't even consider returning to a team that had brought back a player of Tyler Flowers caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 02:33 PM) Arencibia to be non-tendered if not traded in the next 8.5 hours. http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/thread...ibia-a-Contract Stolen from Twitter: "It is very ironic that the Blue Jays let Arencibia walk" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Trade talks are so hot right now, trade talks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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