macsandz Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Early. Revisiting talks. Might take Q + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:21 PM) Early. Revisiting talks. Might take Q + Any chance this was the three way referenced by Hahn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:21 PM) Might take Q + Hilariously silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I don't want to trade Quintana for Bruce let alone Quintana+ Reds have enough damn pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Well, that's a pretty big contract. And it would completely blow a hole open in the rotation. It would also force Rodon to be a 2, almost from the start. (Unless we do something truly unprecedented and spend big money for a FA pitcher)...so all the resources we need to improve the team would basically be absorbed by contracts for Bruce and another more expensive pitcher to replace Quintana. Edited November 21, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:21 PM) Early. Revisiting talks. Might take Q + I'd love to add Bruce, but Q alone is counter-productive and adding more pieces would it a terrible deal for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:26 PM) Well, that's a pretty big contract. And it would completely blow a hole open in the rotation. It would also force Rodon to be a 2, almost from the start. (Unless we do something truly unprecedented and spend big money for a FA pitcher). Bruce is not a big contract at all, something like 3/$36M IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:21 PM) Early. Revisiting talks. Might take Q + Aaaand that's when Hahn says call me when you're ready to talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:22 PM) Any chance this was the three way referenced by Hahn? Definitely. Could grow to a very significant deal. Rick is going to be very agressive at the meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:26 PM) Hilariously silly. Obviously early means they're leveraging. Just sharing some recent G2 for you guys since you've all been asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Love the idea of Bruce but definitely not for Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:28 PM) Aaaand that's when Hahn says call me when you're ready to talk. Or he lands a RHP along with JB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:28 PM) Bruce is not a big contract at all, something like 3/$36M IIRC. Ooops, I was confusing him with Votto. Bruce really had a disappointing 2014 though, and had negative fielding metrics, yes? Edited November 21, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:37 PM) Ooops, I was confusing him with Votto. Bruce really had a disappointing 2014 though, and had negative fielding metrics, yes? He had a bad knee injury that was likely the cause. I really like Bruce but Q is way too much IMO when you factor in salary and team control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:35 PM) Or he lands a RHP along with JB... Cueto or Axelrod? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Would anybody do Avi, Semien, and Montas for Bruce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Early. Revisiting talks. Might take Q + Do. Not. Like. EDIT: Unless by Q+ you mean Hahn is going to first acquire Carlos Quentin and then package him with others to make the deal. Edited November 21, 2014 by HickoryHuskers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Thanks for sharing Bucket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 06:35 PM) Or he lands a RHP along with JB... That would be selling hign on Q and that's really high with his last 2 years and very team friendly contract. Bruce coming off a disaster of a year buying low even if the Reds don't see it that way. Sounds like a blockbuster and difficult to pull off. Stay tuned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:41 PM) Would anybody do Avi, Semien, and Montas for Bruce? No way in hell. I like Bruce over Avi, but not enough to give up Semien and Montas on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:21 PM) Early. Revisiting talks. Might take Q + Wow - you mean it will only take Quintana and a top prospect to land a high K hitter with a .654 OPS! QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:41 PM) Would anybody do Avi, Semien, and Montas for Bruce? The love of declining veterans is getting sillier by the minute. .654 OBP is not good. Nor is 159 strikeouts Hahn would belong in an asylum if he gave Avi or Montas for Bruce, much less both. Spare parts only. Edited November 21, 2014 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 06:41 PM) Would anybody do Avi, Semien, and Montas for Bruce? That would sure be selling low on Avi We don't even know what we have in him yet. It's possible he 's better then Bruce this year . Way too many potentially impactful youngsters with years of control for Bruce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:43 PM) Wow - you mean it will only take Quintana and a top prospect to land a high K hitter with a .654 OPS! . The love of declining veterans is getting sillier by the minute. Spare parts only. Do you throw everyone into the "declining veteran" box? Bruce is 27 years old and had a serious knee injury last year. You can hate on his high K rate, but the dude is not at the point in his career where he should be declining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 From B/R : Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports has the report: The Reds also have engaged in preliminary discussions on deals involving two-time All-Star right fielder Jay Bruce, according to major-league sources. And though club officials say the team is merely listening on players rather than shopping them, a trade of Bruce for more cost-effective talent would be a major step toward retooling with a lower payroll in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:46 PM) Do you throw everyone into the "declining veteran" box? Bruce is 27 years old and had a serious knee injury last year. You can hate on his high K rate, but the dude is not at the point in his career where he should be declining. Maybe he "Shouldn't be", but he is in decline. I do classify them as declining if they are declining, which he is. Clown trades like that are a prime reason why the Sox have 3 playoff appearances in 15 years despite a top 1/3 payroll under Williams' watch. The second we have a decent prospect, got to move them. You guys want to pay top dollar for players off of bad years. It's like giving our top 2 pitching prospects for Edwin Jackson and his 5+ ERA. Edited November 21, 2014 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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