blackmooncreeping Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 07:54 AM) It's not a massive win for Boras. He waited on a contract for weeks tried to market him as a OF and got 1 million more AAV. If anything the Orioles let him save face by not dropping the contract. It's a huge win by Boras, landed even bigger deal than initially offered. Master play. He waited for weeks, pissing off everyone in the process and still got more than the initial offer. Has nothing to do with saving face, dude just got PAID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (South Sider @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 08:44 AM) That's a lot of money for a guy who could end up like Adam Dunn. Nah, Davis actually plays in the AL. (I'm sure he'll have some down years though ala 2014 maybe) Still it's a ridiculous contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 08:30 AM) You don't get a lump sum and it's unlikely he makes 7 million in investments in four months when the global economy is spinning from oil. Boras did a tremendous job here. Absent the Orioles, what was Davis market? I wouldn't have guessed more than 20 mill aav I don't see adding 1 million per year after months of negotiations as a tremendous job. It was technically an increase but nothing really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 The money and terms of that contract have GOT to put it up there with the Zito contract for one of the worst in MLB history. I just don't get it....maybe it was to satiate the fans but there's no way anything even close to that makes its way to the table if I were the O's gm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 08:45 AM) It's a huge win by Boras, landed even bigger deal than initially offered. Master play. He waited for weeks, pissing off everyone in the process and still got more than the initial offer. Has nothing to do with saving face, dude just got PAID 1 million dollars per year is technically a bigger deal. But after months of negotiations? He didnt really get anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) According to fangraphs, Davis' WAR the last 4 years is 15.5, Cespedes at 15.4. Edited January 16, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 So who are actually legit contenders to sign an OF left now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Davis is at 12.8 combined war over his last seven seasons at ESPN. Â Whichever war you care to utilize, that's nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 09:01 AM) So who are actually legit contenders to sign an OF left now? Â Tigers, Cardinals, Red Sox (if they dump Castillo), Cubs, Mets, Rangers, Blue Jays (maybe), Yankees if they trade Gardner, Indians have need but probably no more money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 08:51 AM) 1 million dollars per year is technically a bigger deal. But after months of negotiations? He didnt really get anything. The fact that he landed anywhere near the original offer much less eclipsed it, after the Os publicly said we're moving on, offer is off the table, etc is not a win for Baltimore. Â The fact that it's already being viewed as a bad contract furthers my point. Â The real point is this bodes well for the Sox. If Hahn can pull it off after this rollercoaster ride he is a ninja! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyAcosta41 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I try to generally avoid paralysis through over-analysis and just keep things simple and REAL (there can be so much clutter and white noise) ... Â no matter the temporary real or staged stalemate on Davis, no matter the exact payment on the finalized deal and how it compared to the deal that had been on the table for months, that Boras was able to get that deal offered in the first place (on Chris effin Davis), that he and everyone could watch the position player/hitter market move as it did, that there could be no other serious landing spot for Davis, and that anything close to that original deal was still available later is classic Boras in every way. Â The dude is the evil magician. The lawyer in me loves him; the baseball and Sox fan in me detests him. Â Amazing that he could pull this off, but now that he's out of the way (just his foul air to still breathe), we'll have pretty quick resolutions on Cespedes, Upton, and Fowler. Â PS ... And Boras being Boras is why there is no effin doubt that the RH is already working on the best exit strategy for Carlos Rodon after getting a number of strong years out of him when the Sox hold all the cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 09:14 AM) I try to generally avoid paralysis through over-analysis and just keep things simple and REAL (there can be so much clutter and white noise) ... no matter the temporary real or staged stalemate on Davis, no matter the exact payment on the finalized deal and how it compared to the deal that had been on the table for months, that Boras was able to get that deal offered in the first place (on Chris effin Davis), that he and everyone could watch the position player/hitter market move as it did, that there could be no other serious landing spot for Davis, and that anything close to that original deal was still available later is classic Boras in every way.  The dude is the evil magician. The lawyer in me loves him; the baseball and Sox fan in me detests him.  Amazing that he could pull this off, but now that he's out of the way (just his foul air to still breathe), we'll have pretty quick resolutions on Cespedes, Upton, and Fowler.  PS ... And Boras being Boras is why there is no effin doubt that the RH is already working on the best exit strategy for Carlos Rodon after getting a number of strong years out of him when the Sox hold all the cards.  There's a reason MLB Network has banned his name being mentioned during draft broadcasts, not that every top 100 prospect and his parents doesn't know Evil Corp anyway.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 This is just great news for the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 08:51 AM) 1 million dollars per year is technically a bigger deal. But after months of negotiations? He didnt really get anything. Â The thing is that no one was negotiating against them. He literally got $7 million for no reason. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 09:23 AM) The thing is that no one was negotiating against them. He literally got $7 million for no reason. All while the position player market plummeted. That's an incredible feat by Boras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 09:23 AM) The thing is that no one was negotiating against them. He literally got $7 million for no reason. The only reason was that the orioles threw him a bone to save face because they wanted davis back. All of the boras tatics of marketing him as a OF and waiting for months got him essentially nothing. Edited January 16, 2016 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) The only reason was that the orioles threw him a bone to save face because they wanted davis back. All of the boras tatics of marketing him as a OF and waiting for months got him essentially nothing. Â In the end, the story will be he got the second best deal for a position player (higher aav even than Heyward despite being three years older) and Ian Kennedy double the contract many felt he would get because of the draft pick compensation attached and 16 homers given up in Petco last year. Edited January 16, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) The only reason was that the orioles threw him a bone to save face because they wanted davis back. All of the boras tatics of marketing him as a OF and waiting for months got him essentially nothing. Â They didn't need to "save face". Where else was he going to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 If they had signed Cespedes and Latos for much less than Davis, they would have done their fans an even bigger favor...a real chance to compete in the AL East. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Scott Boras this morning: https://t.co/kqSeDH6xd4 https://twitter.com/HardballTalk/status/688389657348804609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) The only reason was that the orioles threw him a bone to save face because they wanted davis back. All of the boras tatics of marketing him as a OF and waiting for months got him essentially nothing. I just read there is more money now deferred than the original offer. Now Boras and Davis don't have to look like they went running back with their tails between their legs. Edited January 16, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 04:29 PM) The only reason was that the orioles threw him a bone to save face because they wanted davis back. All of the boras tatics of marketing him as a OF and waiting for months got him essentially nothing. Â i don't know, but i think Balt just screwed the pooch on this.... the deal will end when davis is what, 36-37 yrs old.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 @masnRoch Told deal with Chris Davis is for less money than Cespedes was seeking #orioles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Would anyone on this board make the signing of Davis if they were in the Orioles shoes? I think the answer to this question is a resounding "no." Â And one more thing to add: I don't think this is good for the W'sox --> Cespedes. Why? Cespedes has to be looking at this deal saying, "I deserve about this much, this much, or more." Edited January 16, 2016 by iWin4Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 05:47 PM) Would anyone on this board make the signing of Davis if they were in the Orioles shoes? I think the answer to this question is a resounding "no." Â i agree with you, no freaking way, they, Balt was in the drivers seat, they could have taken him thru age 34 with a opt out year at 32. Â make no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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