Greg Hibbard Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Here's the thing about this KW may have done the right thing, certainly it seems that way on paper. LaRoche may have done what he needed to do. The net result though is that the team is pissed off and the fans are screwed, and it seems to be a pattern with this organization. We lose a potential vital LH bat that we really need in the lineup, and the $13 million in savings does us as fans no good, necessarily. This has all the feeling of Baines getting his number retired and then getting traded. It has the feel of Frank Thomas leaving the organization, of Fisk with the sour taste in his mouth. And this team honestly wonders why they have a PR problem and problems getting asses in seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 If La Roche decides not to retire, and returns to the team, is there any way that this turns our to be a good thing? I can't imagine it. Adam La Roche strikes me as not being very bright. At his age, and being the veteran he is, you would think that he would have more sense than this. I really hope that he goes through with this voluntary retirement. He wasn't contributing before this idiotic controversy, and it is likely that he would not contribute enough to make up for the problems, he has just created. My biggest fear now is that he changes his mind. Please just retire, please. And don't take too long to make up your mind. The sooner the organization knows, the better the chances to find an available left handed bat. I hope that they have already been engaged in preliminary discussions with a viable candidate, or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:55 PM) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago Sale told Williams, unequivocally, to get out of the clubhouse and stay out, per a source. Williams acknowledges meeting was passionate. 2/2 No offense to Chris but the leadership baton isn't with him these days even though he's well respected. Like it or not the Sox brought in new strong voices who have taken over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:58 PM) Here's the thing about this KW may have done the right thing, certainly it seems that way on paper. LaRoche may have done what he needed to do. The net result though is that the team is pissed off and the fans are screwed, and it seems to be a pattern with this organization. We lose a potential vital LH bat that we really need in the lineup, and the $13 million in savings does us as fans no good, necessarily. This has all the feeling of Baines getting his number retired and then getting traded. It has the feel of Frank Thomas leaving the organization, of Fisk with the sour taste in his mouth. And this team honestly wonders why they have a PR problem and problems getting asses in seats. As a pure baseball move, this is incredible for the Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:58 PM) Yes but the White Sox agreed to this when he signed the contract according to most. I am of the belief people should live up to their agreements. Things should never change. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:58 PM) No offense to Chris but the leadership baton isn't with him these days even though he's well respected. Like it or not the Sox brought in new strong voices who have taken over Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 the union can file a grievance, esp if the players are adamant. however, they may not have a legal ground to stand on, it will be prudent for the union rep to point this out, but if the players want to file, the union may, and i mean may not have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Here's the thing about this KW may have done the right thing, certainly it seems that way on paper. LaRoche may have done what he needed to do. The net result though is that the team is pissed off and the fans are screwed, and it seems to be a pattern with this organization. We lose a potential vital LH bat that we really need in the lineup, and the $13 million in savings does us as fans no good, necessarily. This has all the feeling of Baines getting his number retired and then getting traded. It has the feel of Frank Thomas leaving the organization, of Fisk with the sour taste in his mouth. And this team honestly wonders why they have a PR problem and problems getting asses in seats. Yes, except that the fans liked Baines, Thomas and Fisk. I doubt the fans care enough about Laroche to get upset by this. If the money saved brings in a key piece via FA or trade, they'll care even less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:58 PM) No offense to Chris but the leadership baton isn't with him these days even though he's well respected. Like it or not the Sox brought in new strong voices who have taken over That report makes me wonder if the report about him entering the Royals' clubhouse after the April brawl was actually factual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:59 PM) Things should never change. Ever. Verbal agreements are worthless. If LaRoche wants to blame anyone he has only himself and his agent to look at. If he wanted 100% guaranteed access for his son then put it in writing, in his contract. The players' union knows they have no leg to stand on with a grievance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:59 PM) Things should never change. Ever. Change is fine, but if you have given your word, that should mean something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:58 PM) No offense to Chris but the leadership baton isn't with him these days even though he's well respected. Like it or not the Sox brought in new strong voices who have taken over If the Sox are still mired in mediocrity next July, I hope that Sale is the first one out the door in the fire sale. I won't miss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) Things should never change. Ever. Well, there is a concept in contract law called reliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) Change is fine, but if you have given your word, that should mean something. Clearly Dick Allen is in favor of Slavery, because it was in the constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:02 PM) Well, there is a concept in contract law called reliance. There's also this: There also was the highly publicized "handshake deal" Reinsdorf and former Bull Horace Grant allegedly reached three years ago. Grant opted for free agency and ended up with the Orlando Magic. Reinsdorf held a news conference and accused Grant of reneging on the deal and questioned Grant's character and worth ethic. "Why do they have to try to break a guy's character down in the public?" Grant asked after Reinsdorf's news conference. "It's repulsive, ridiculous." To this day, Reinsdorf sticks to his word about the Grant negotiations. "The Grant thing was done with the permission of his agent," Reinsdorf said. "Horace asked me to negotiate with him and I cleared it with his agent. Horace and I shook hands and Horace didn't keep his word. I'm just not used to that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) Change is fine, but if you have given your word, that should mean something. I actually agree with this. Then again, we have no evidence that Sale's kid was promised 100% access. At the very least, it's not in his contract, which means that his options for recourse are severely limited. This is likely why he decided to retire, rather than file a grievance with the MLBPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 If a couple players complained about Drake to KW but (rightfully) stayed silent during the team meeting yesterday, then I hope these internal issues get resolved. Reminds me of the Bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 07:01 PM) If the Sox are still mired in mediocrity next July, I hope that Sale is the first one out the door in the fire sale. I won't miss him. If they tank this year, he'll be in a Red Sox jersey come December Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) Change is fine, but if you have given your word, that should mean something. Has anyone credible confirmed KW guaranteed LaRoche's kid access 100% of the time? There is a big difference between telling someone the clubhouse is family friendly (which never changed) and guaranteeing 100% access every single day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 LOL Completely relevant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) Has anyone credible confirmed KW guaranteed LaRoche's kid access 100% of the time? There is a big difference between telling someone the clubhouse is family friendly (which never changed) and guaranteeing 100% access every single day. No. Unless you consider Kaplan and his phenomenal source credible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) Has anyone credible confirmed KW guaranteed LaRoche's kid access 100% of the time? There is a big difference between telling someone the clubhouse is family friendly (which never changed) and guaranteeing 100% access every single day. LaRoche's father, and whoever Kaplan talked to, which could be the same source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) Has anyone credible confirmed KW guaranteed LaRoche's kid access 100% of the time? There is a big difference between telling someone the clubhouse is family friendly (which never changed) and guaranteeing 100% access every single day. Yes, I find it really hard to believe that any supposed handshake or verbal agreement specified that Drake was allowed 100% unrestricted access to the clubhouse. That is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) LaRoche's father, and whoever Kaplan talked to, which could be the same source. So no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) If the Sox are still mired in mediocrity next July, I hope that Sale is the first one out the door in the fire sale. I won't miss him. I would but he's not the leader of the team. He's well respected but he isn't out there every day. It's pretty easy to see who has taken over with this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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