raBBit Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said: Good point about Pederson in CF. If the Sox acquire Pederson I'm thinking it's to put him in RF with Cordell or Leury as potential platoon partners. That leaves Engel/Jay platoon in CF. As long as Jay can still get good jumps he should be fine playing CF in a platoon role. Pederson is a fine centerfielder. There is a lot more that goes into being an outfielder than foot speed especially given the wonky ways it's recorded. Coredll has no place on the roster. Leury has no part of any platoon especially in RF. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: It might have legs but Joc does not. For anyone thinking Joc would play CF regularly they should probably think again. According to Statcast Sprint speeds Joc clocks in at 26.3 ft/sec. . That is the same speed as Manny Machado and .01 higher than Matt Kemp. For comparisons Engle 30.1. Moncada 28.8, Tim Anderson 28.7 . Here's the real surprise, Avi at 29.0. How many wanted to see Avi in CF ? John Jay is even slower now than Pederson at 26.0 ft/second. These stats are from 2018. 2017 Jay was 26.4 so he lost .40 from 2017 to 2018 2017 Pederson was 26.5 so he lost .20 from last year. Engle is as fast as Billy Hamilton. Only Byron Buxton, Roman Quinn and Magneuris Sierra are slightly faster than Engel. They all play CF. Doesn't the avi footspeed thing undercut your argument that it matters significantly to his defensive value? That said, dodgers were very good at shifting for machado so same case might exist for Pederson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, raBBit said: Pederson is a fine centerfielder. There is a lot more that goes into being an outfielder than foot speed especially given the wonky ways it's recorded. Coredll has no place on the roster. Leury has no part of any platoon especially in RF. It's going to be interesting to see what they do with the roster. Pederson and Jay shouldn't play vs LHP in most cases and they don't really have a RH counterpart for those plate appearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: It's going to be interesting to see what they do with the roster. Pederson and Jay shouldn't play vs LHP in most cases and they don't really have a RH counterpart for those plate appearances. Neither should Yonder really. Edited January 22, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said: Neither should Yonder really. Or Moncada or Yolmer 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: It's going to be interesting to see what they do with the roster. Pederson and Jay shouldn't play vs LHP in most cases and they don't really have a RH counterpart for those plate appearances. I think if they acquire Pederson they should let him play vs lhp this year and see if it can improve with more consistent reps. For others, well, we have two catchers who hit pretty well off lefties. Lets get Tim Anderson reps as emergency catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) Actually just looking at his stats, Jay wouldn't even be that bad in CF against lefties. .280 career average, .358 OBP. Last year he was at .241/.349. No point in sharing power numbers since that's not his game. Point is: don't feel like you need to carry a platoon bat for him on the bench. Edited January 22, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, bmags said: Doesn't the avi footspeed thing undercut your argument that it matters significantly to his defensive value? That said, dodgers were very good at shifting for machado so same case might exist for Pederson. Nothing makes up for speed out there and 26.0 is pretty slow, 27 ft. /sec is league average. Nothing makes up for speed but there's also route to the ball and like BS13 said getting a good jump but slow is slow .The differ3nce between AVi and Jay is 3 feet per sec. 4 ft/sec between Jay and Engel. If a ball is hit in the gap and it takes you 3-4 seconds to get there thats 12-16 ft you can't cover that Ehegl could. A good route and getting a good jump/read can't make up for that. Of course a good read does make a lot of difference sometimes especially in CF where a bad read where you freeze or start on balls hit directly at you. I don't know enough about Jays or Pederson reads or routes to the ball but their speed alone would be costly and certainly nowhere near ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 In 2019, the White Sox should be interested in giving all of their players, especially the younger ones, a chance to learn how to hit same-handed pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: It's going to be interesting to see what they do with the roster. Pederson and Jay shouldn't play vs LHP in most cases and they don't really have a RH counterpart for those plate appearances. Please let's get real. No one who is a full 1 sec, slow than the league average speed of 27ft/sec should be playing CF on a regular basis.. If you think how they calculate sprint speeds is wonky then its wonky for everyone. That's not league average for OF's that's league average for everyone including all your slowest of the slow catchers and infielders. Abreu , Delmoinco, Palka and even Kevan Smith are faster than Pederson. Now we're going to argue about the validity of Statcast ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Last year he was at .241/.349. No point in sharing power numbers since that's not his game. Jay was OBP .330, .678 OPS last year. But he did have one season in his last 4 with an OBP of an acceptable .340 or more and he's only 33 so I'm sure he'll improve. He should definitely get the at bats on this rebuilding team. Edited January 22, 2019 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Jay was OBP .330, .678 OPS last year. But he's only 33 so I'm sure he'll improve. And I clearly posted his stats against lefties. I know, reading is difficult for some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Jay was OBP .330, .678 OPS last year. But he did have one season in his last 4 with an OBP of an acceptable .340 or more and he's only 33 so I'm sure he'll improve. He should definitely get the at bats on this rebuilding team. 749 in 2017. Split the difference and I'd be happy with 714 in 2019 (~100 points higher than Adam Engel...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Please let's get real. No one who is a full 1 sec, slow than the league average speed of 27ft/sec should be playing CF on a regular basis.. If you think how they calculate sprint speeds is wonky then its wonky for everyone. That's not league average for OF's that's league average for everyone including all your slowest of the slow catchers and infielders. Abreu , Delmoinco, Palka and even Kevan Smith are faster than Pederson. Now we're going to argue about the validity of Statcast ? WTF are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Actually just looking at his stats, Jay wouldn't even be that bad in CF against lefties. .280 career average, .358 OBP. Last year he was at .241/.349. No point in sharing power numbers since that's not his game. Point is: don't feel like you need to carry a platoon bat for him on the bench. Frankly I'd rather have Engel in CF more than Jay . Not that its much better but it is better. Jay is pretty slow now and getting slower every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Also, since when is an OBP of 340 or higher the threshold for an "acceptable" OBP? The best offense in baseball last year had a team OBP of 339, which means they had several starters with an OBP of less than 340. That team also won the World Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Actually, I think I've found my solution. The Sox should add Danny Valencia to play vs lefties. He's also another of Machado's friends. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: WTF are you talking about? Sprint speeds. Why do you feel the need to ask me in such an impolite way ? Edited January 22, 2019 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Jay was OBP .330, .678 OPS last year. But he did have one season in his last 4 with an OBP of an acceptable .340 or more and he's only 33 so I'm sure he'll improve. He should definitely get the at bats on this rebuilding team. Firstly, spectacular arbitrary cutoff of a .340 OBP. Secondly, who is Jay taking ABs away from in 2019 that you are mad about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Please no more Adam Engel as a starter. As a 4th/5th OF, maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Sprint speeds why do you feel the need to ask me in such a impolite way ? Because you replied to his post talking about platooning with "Please lets get real" and didn't have anything to say about platooning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: And I clearly posted his stats against lefties. I know, reading is difficult for some. My mistake I thought I was quoting Rabbit saying Pederson is a perfectly fine CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: WTF are you talking about? My mistake I thought I quoted Rabbit not you. But please, people make mistakes no way to be rude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Sprint speeds. Why do you feel the need to ask me in such an impolite way ? Because I think you meant to quote Brian. I literally had no idea what you were talking about. I'm just over here trying to construct appropriate platoons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Actually, I think I've found my solution. The Sox should add Danny Valencia to play vs lefties. He's also another of Machado's friends. Gonna need a 35 man active roster for all of Machado's homies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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