flavum Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/534741629630812160 Wow us, Dodgers. Edited November 18, 2014 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 10:19 AM) https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/534741629630812160 Wow us, Dodgers. Nightengale is usually really accurate with White Sox stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 10:19 AM) https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/534741629630812160 Wow us, Dodgers. Please be Joc, please be Joc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Are they trying to control the rights to every single Cuban middle infielder? I suppose it's possible that it's Danks and Ramirez for Kemp + prospects, but not one of their top 3. Maybe they'll throw in one of their 3 Cubans (Arrubuena or Guerrero) who has the best chance to stick at SS long-term. Edited November 18, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Well, that's reasonably exciting news, no matter how you feel about moving Alexei. The Dodgers have a good system. Though, admittedly, I'm not sure how DEEP it is. Alexei isn't going to net the famous guys up top, I don't think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 05:22 PM) Please be Joc, please be Joc Alexei for Joc makes sense for both teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 10:23 AM) Well, that's reasonably exciting news, no matter how you feel about moving Alexei. The Dodgers have a good system. Though, admittedly, I'm not sure how DEEP it is. Alexei isn't going to net the famous guys up top, I don't think. I wouldn't be so sure. Hahn has no reason to move Alexei just to move him, he's out preforming his contract and there is a definite market for SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 10:19 AM) https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/534741629630812160 Wow us, Dodgers. This has the possibility to be anything from a small deal to a blockbuster that would make Hawk blush, depending on how far down the rabbit hole the Dodgers want to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Not all that interested unless this involves Joc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) I like to hear that word "aggressive" when it comes to the Dodgers pursuing Alexei. Even if the deal doesn't happen, if we are fortunate enough to hear a name or two as a potential return for Alexei, then we could get an idea where the market for his services truly is. I really do agree with most of the posters here that Alexei is a valuable player and his services should not come cheap or discounted. Hahn is playing his cards correctly by sticking to his guns. If you want Alexei, make us an offer we cannot refuse. This should also help us to see how desperate the Mets really are. Maybe this will push them to trade us one of their young arms for Alexei? I have to imagine that Starlin Castro isn't untouchable, but he would cost significantly more then Alexei more then the Mets and Dodgers would like to pay for a player... so maybe we can get a little bidding war going between the Mets and Dodgers. If all goes well, we could end up with one real nice player, or a couple of good players. Go Hahn Go! Edited November 18, 2014 by South Sider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Split this out because it seems like pertinent, new info and rumors. We'll see where it leads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 18, 2014 Author Share Posted November 18, 2014 It would be funny if Hahn got a third team involved. That's his schtick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Now things are getting interesting. Honestly, I think one of Pederson, Urias, or Seager has to be included in this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 10:51 AM) That's your MO but I disagree. Maybe Pederson if the Dodgers are soured on him + the surplus in the OF. No way on the other two. Would Kemp + Cash make sense? I know it's been discussed that the Dodgers won't trade Puig, but what if Hahn pulled that off? I really do not want to see Ethier or Crawford in a White Sox uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Some of the trade proposals on mlbtraderumors....boy that sure want us to take their crap contracts for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Has to be for Pederson. He's just such a perfect fit for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Yeah Joc Pederson for Alexei ain't happening....not even close. Alexei + Danks would about offset Kemp $ wise for the next 2 seasons and he's due an additional 63.5M the following 3 seasons. So Alexei and Danks for Kemp and $30 million?? I'd do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 LOL, Puig is crazy talk. He's a top five value in the game. Personally, I don't see any way the Sox could take on Crawford. There's just too much wrong there. Maybe Ethier could be acquire if there's plenty of cash and/or Danks is exchanged. As for Alexei, I see a few different ways the Sox can go. 1.) Alexei for Pederson - unlikely but could make a lot of sense for the Sox if the Dodgers get a little desperate. 2.) Alexei for Kemp and cash 3.) Alexei for Guerrero and Zach Lee 4.) Alexei and Danks for Ethier, cash and some player(s)/prospect(s) of value I did like how there were Dodger fans like, "don't worry WS fans, most of us know you're not going to trade Ramirez for Crawford and cash. I know Ethier has a downside, but if the Dodgers take Danks and send back cash, I can see that being a good deal, especially if the prospect is a decent OF prospect. Seems to be the area the Sox system is weakest right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:17 AM) LOL, Puig is crazy talk. He's a top five value in the game. Personally, I don't see any way the Sox could take on Crawford. There's just too much wrong there. Maybe Ethier could be acquire if there's plenty of cash and/or Danks is exchanged. As for Alexei, I see a few different ways the Sox can go. 1.) Alexei for Pederson - unlikely but could make a lot of sense for the Sox if the Dodgers get a little desperate. 2.) Alexei for Kemp and cash 3.) Alexei for Guerrero and Zach Lee 4.) Alexei and Danks for Ethier, cash and some player(s)/prospect(s) of value I was just messing around with Puig, I know there is no chance of him. Regarding your scenarios, I really only like the first 2. I hate number 3 and #4 even though we would get rid of Danks, Ethier still has 3 more years on his deal even with cash included. It'd be interesting to see what those prospects of value would be then. Plus, I'm just not a fan of Ethier, at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 10:54 AM) Would Kemp + Cash make sense? Absolutely not. This trade needs to help us in the future. Youth. If we want today, keep Alexei. Any of those 3 surplus outfielders would not be considered "Aggressive" pursuit. Edited November 18, 2014 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 18, 2014 Author Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:22 AM) I was just messing around with Puig, I know there is no chance of him. Regarding your scenarios, I really only like the first 2. I hate number 3 and #4 even though we would get rid of Danks, Ethier still has 3 more years on his deal even with cash included. It'd be interesting to see what those prospects of value would be then. Plus, I'm just not a fan of Ethier, at all. I agree about Ethier. No amount of money eating would make me happy about him being tied to the Sox ages 33-35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 The information we can reasonably assume to be correct is this: -The Dodgers have a glut of outfielders. -The Dodgers are looking to shed some salary. -The Dodgers have three outfielders making large sums of money with a fourth that is making substantially more than the league minimum along with two others at the league minimum. -The Dodgers have a spot in the back of their rotation open. -The White Sox do not have a great option behind Ramirez at SS, but they have some guys who are reasonable options. -The White Sox have really only one contract that they want to get rid of. -The White Sox do have some money to spend. -The White Sox are looking for at least one left handed bat. If the Dodgers believe that Ramirez is the best shortstop on the market and is a perfect fit for their team, then the White Sox hold a ton of leverage here. The Dodgers could also use a guy like Danks, but they are going to view that as negative value overall in the deal. Let's see if we can't come to some sort of reasonable trade proposal here based on the information we know. To me, the initial idea that comes up is still Ramirez and Danks for Ethier and Pederson, but something doesn't seem right about that deal. Maybe the Sox include Trayce Thompson and the Dodgers kick in $10 million in year 3 (to distribute to year 3 to cover half of those costs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Man we could use a bucket or rock little piece of info here....So many ideas swirling around right now and plenty of them make sense. But way too much info that isnt known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:28 AM) Man we could use a bucket or rock little piece of info here....So many ideas swirling around right now and plenty of them make sense. But way too much info that isnt known. Frankly, if the Dodgers are aggressively pursuing Alexei, there could be a zillion different things going on and it might not matter what we heard from those guys anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 11:23 AM) Absolutely not. This trade needs to help us in the future. Youth. If we want today, keep Alexei. Wouldn't Hahn's recent comments lead you to believe that we do want to win now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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