royoung Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 1, 2014 -> 10:01 AM) If he isn't that great, why would any team give up much to get him? He's old, he's falling apart, but he should net a really good prospect. How does that make any sense? I think the argument in moving him is his value is high right now and people fear his play (and trade value) will decline towards the end of his contract. There are several teams looking for a shortstop this off-season and if someone is willing to overpay....why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 1, 2014 -> 11:01 AM) If he isn't that great, why would any team give up much to get him? He's old, he's falling apart, but he should net a really good prospect. How does that make any sense? He IS good. I don't want to oversell his decline, he's a very good player, he just doesn't have long-term value. For us, it's more about the fact that our roster isn't very good, so we need to extract as much long-term talent as we can in as man different areas. If our team was better, I'd definitely want to hold him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Nelson Cruz to Seattle on a 4-year deal. They should just go all in and trade a good package for Alexei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 1, 2014 -> 10:01 AM) If he isn't that great, why would any team give up much to get him? He's old, he's falling apart, but he should net a really good prospect. How does that make any sense? Alexei is falling apart? News to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reports that the Dodgers have acquired Chris Heisey from the Reds via trade. CBS Sports' Jon Heyman says the Reds will receive Matt Magill in return. The Dodgers are already loaded with outfielders, so this could be the first of multiple moves for them. Heisey, who is in his second year of arbitration this offseason, batted .222/.265/.378 with eight homers over 299 plate appearances for the Reds in 2014. He'll back up at all three outfield spots. Source: Jerry Crasnick on Twitter Looks like Dodgers going to deal very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 2, 2014 -> 09:12 PM) ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reports that the Dodgers have acquired Chris Heisey from the Reds via trade. CBS Sports' Jon Heyman says the Reds will receive Matt Magill in return. The Dodgers are already loaded with outfielders, so this could be the first of multiple moves for them. Heisey, who is in his second year of arbitration this offseason, batted .222/.265/.378 with eight homers over 299 plate appearances for the Reds in 2014. He'll back up at all seven outfield spots. Source: Jerry Crasnick on Twitter Looks like Dodgers going to deal very soon. corrected. edit: He's a righty. Kemp on the move? Edited December 3, 2014 by Vance Law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 1, 2014 -> 10:01 AM) If he isn't that great, why would any team give up much to get him? He's old, he's falling apart, but he should net a really good prospect. How does that make any sense? Who said he was old and falling apart. I said he isn't great. He's good Contenders with strong farms have huge needs for SS. They will pay, I believe, for a good SS. I don't see 2015 as prime Sox window. Edited December 3, 2014 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 We've all been exploring lots of options to fill the hole in one corner outfield. The Dodgers still match up best for a trade with Sox. Having just acquired another outfielder, Chris Heisey, who is a true centerfielder, L. A. now has 7 outfielders, on their roster. They still need a SS, and consider Alexei a suitable candidate to fill that void. Therefore, I think that remains the most logical move. The question is: Which outfielder, and what terms, are most realistic and desirable? Although most of us would prefer one of the younger guys, such as Van Slyke, or even Pederson, someone like Ethier or Kemp is probably more realistic. So, we're back to salary relief included in a deal involving Alexei for Ethier or Kemp. Old "news" of course, but I just thought it was worth revisiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 08:07 AM) We've all been exploring lots of options to fill the hole in one corner outfield. The Dodgers still match up best for a trade with Sox. Having just acquired another outfielder, Chris Heisey, who is a true centerfielder, L. A. now has 7 outfielders, on their roster. They still need a SS, and consider Alexei a suitable candidate to fill that void. Therefore, I think that remains the most logical move. The question is: Which outfielder, and what terms, are most realistic and desirable? Although most of us would prefer one of the younger guys, such as Van Slyke, or even Pederson, someone like Ethier or Kemp is probably more realistic. So, we're back to salary relief included in a deal involving Alexei for Ethier or Kemp. Old "news" of course, but I just thought it was worth revisiting. Dodgers have 9 outfielders on their roster. Crawford, Heisey, Kemp, Schebler, Van Slyke, Ethier, Pederson, Jensen, and puig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I forgot about Schebler and Jensen. Ok 9. The price should be less, by virtue of supply and demand alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 02:07 PM) We've all been exploring lots of options to fill the hole in one corner outfield. The Dodgers still match up best for a trade with Sox. Having just acquired another outfielder, Chris Heisey, who is a true centerfielder, L. A. now has 7 outfielders, on their roster. They still need a SS, and consider Alexei a suitable candidate to fill that void. Therefore, I think that remains the most logical move. The question is: Which outfielder, and what terms, are most realistic and desirable? Although most of us would prefer one of the younger guys, such as Van Slyke, or even Pederson, someone like Ethier or Kemp is probably more realistic. So, we're back to salary relief included in a deal involving Alexei for Ethier or Kemp. Old "news" of course, but I just thought it was worth revisiting. i don't know about that. it all depends on how one might define how a team matches up. i like Oak and Cincy for prospects outside pitching who can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Here is a hypothetical trade idea. 3 team trade with dodgers, white sox and Oakland. Based of trade would be alexei going to dodgers, Erisbel Arruebarruena going to Oakland and Samardzija going to white sox. Maybe other lower level pieces involved. Oakland gets a controlled defensive shortstop tho his offense still needs work. White sox swap the 10 million would be paid to alexei turns over to samardzija with out raising payroll and still have enough to get say melky and bullpen pieces. Dodgers get Alexei who helps them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 10:30 AM) Here is a hypothetical trade idea. 3 team trade with dodgers, white sox and Oakland. Based of trade would be alexei going to dodgers, Erisbel Arruebarruena going to Oakland and Samardzija going to white sox. Maybe other lower level pieces involved. Oakland gets a controlled defensive shortstop tho his offense still needs work. White sox swap the 10 million would be paid to alexei turns over to samardzija with out raising payroll and still have enough to get say melky and bullpen pieces. Dodgers get Alexei who helps them now. I don't understand wanting to downgrade your average at best defense every day, to acquire a guy who might be able to help you 1 every 5 days for one season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 10:33 AM) I don't understand wanting to downgrade your average at best defense every day, to acquire a guy who might be able to help you 1 every 5 days for one season. Cause again being back in home area and playing for a contender might help him decide to sign extension. He's already said if he were to become a free agent in 2015 he would definitely like to talk about coming back to Chicago. Being that the cubs are still in rebuild mode that's leaves a possible spot to the sox. Plus it gives a chance to see what we have in semien, sanchez , saladino plus. We haven't hardly seen any of them play ss cause alexei is there about every day Edited December 5, 2014 by WhiteSoxLifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 11:38 AM) Cause again being back in home area and playing for a contender might help him decide to sign extension. He's already said if he were to become a free agent in 2015 he would definitely like to talk about coming back to Chicago. Being that the cubs are still in rebuild mode that's leaves a possible spot to the sox. Who cares what he wants to do if it's not worth any money to him? If coming back home is worth $25 million off his contract to him, ok then we can talk. It wasn't worth that much to him when the Cubs made him a ~$75 million offer well before he hit FA, why do we have any reason to think it's worth that much to him now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 10:38 AM) Cause again being back in home area and playing for a contender might help him decide to sign extension. He's already said if he were to become a free agent in 2015 he would definitely like to talk about coming back to Chicago. Being that the cubs are still in rebuild mode that's leaves a possible spot to the sox. Plus it gives a chance to see what we have in semien, sanchez , saladino plus. We haven't hardly seen any of them play ss cause alexei is there about every day Then, instead of giving up value, why don't the Sox wait until next year to sign him.?Swapping out Alexei for him doesn't make the White Sox any better in 2015 IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 10:41 AM) Who cares what he wants to do if it's not worth any money to him? If coming back home is worth $25 million off his contract to him, ok then we can talk. It wasn't worth that much to him when the Cubs made him a ~$75 million offer well before he hit FA, why do we have any reason to think it's worth that much to him now? Probably cause this is his last contract and staying for a team like the cubs isn't getting him anywhere. He's only getting money out of it with probably not competing anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 10:45 AM) Then, instead of giving up value, why don't the Sox wait until next year to sign him.?Swapping out Alexei for him doesn't make the White Sox any better in 2015 IMO. Because this is probably the only chance the sox have at really getting him. Next year he's a free agent and will be attached to probably a draft pick, another year older, and will have to bid against other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 10:30 AM) Here is a hypothetical trade idea. 3 team trade with dodgers, white sox and Oakland. Based of trade would be alexei going to dodgers, Erisbel Arruebarruena going to Oakland and Samardzija going to white sox. Maybe other lower level pieces involved. Oakland gets a controlled defensive shortstop tho his offense still needs work. White sox swap the 10 million would be paid to alexei turns over to samardzija with out raising payroll and still have enough to get say melky and bullpen pieces. Dodgers get Alexei who helps them now. Why would the White Sox trade Alexei for Samardzija? That diminishes a lot of what the Sox are trying to do right now, and then they don't have a SS. And why would the A's trade Samardzija for Arruebarruena? He was absolutely terrible in the minors last year and is not a good bet. I just don't see any scenario that makes sense where the White Sox will trade Ramirez. That's not a bad thing. They should explore it, but they need to be asking for a lot and I just don't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 11:47 AM) Probably cause this is his last contract and staying for a team like the cubs isn't getting him anywhere. He's only getting money out of it with probably not competing anytime soon. The Cubs seem to have just as good of a shot at competing in the next 6 seasons as the White Sox, if not better. Why would he give a discount to the White Sox that he did not give to the Cubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 10:55 AM) Why would the White Sox trade Alexei for Samardzija? That diminishes a lot of what the Sox are trying to do right now, and then they don't have a SS. And why would the A's trade Samardzija for Arruebarruena? He was absolutely terrible in the minors last year and is not a good bet. I just don't see any scenario that makes sense where the White Sox will trade Ramirez. That's not a bad thing. They should explore it, but they need to be asking for a lot and I just don't see it happening. How do you know the sox don't a shortstop besides alexei. How much have you seen semien or sanchez or even saladino play there to no even include them in the conversation. People are acting like if alexei was off the team and the Sox would get value in return then they couldn't compete. Alexei has value but not to to the point of saying we are guaranteed to win with him or without him we are guaranteed to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 11:06 AM) The Cubs seem to have just as good of a shot at competing in the next 6 seasons as the White Sox, if not better. Why would he give a discount to the White Sox that he did not give to the Cubs? I seriously don't believe the cubs can contend for a couple more years. There prospects are so raw in major league experience wise that they need to be in the big leagues at least a full year to know what they got. They still can't get big free agents to sign yet. Who says anything about trying to get a discount from samardzija to sign. Cubs tried to go low to trying to get him to sign. Edited December 5, 2014 by WhiteSoxLifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 11:06 AM) The Cubs seem to have just as good of a shot at competing in the next 6 seasons as the White Sox, if not better. Why would he give a discount to the White Sox that he did not give to the Cubs? There are points in between the insulting offer the Cubs gave, and market value, which the two parties could agree on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 12:44 PM) There are points in between the insulting offer the Cubs gave, and market value, which the two parties could agree on. What tells me a lot about Samardzija giving a hometown discount is that what you just said is potentially true and he was still traded. IMO that's your signal that he's not giving anyone a discount. You want him signed, you meet the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 11:48 AM) What tells me a lot about Samardzija giving a hometown discount is that what you just said is potentially true and he was still traded. IMO that's your signal that he's not giving anyone a discount. You want him signed, you meet the price. He is all about getting every penny he can. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/28266069-41...ml#.VIHzltLF-So Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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