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18 hours ago, Eloy Jiménez said:

The Rise of Skywalker is trash. 

In retrospect, they should have let Rian Johnson write the whole thing. TLJ was divisive because Rian Johnson tried new things. The Abrams episodes were both significantly weaker films that did little. Cheap emotional moments, inexplicable resurrections, and trivial scavenger hunts damn Episode IX to the trash heap.

 

Many times Ive thought that TLJ will age the best of the trilogy. I feel that people were upset because they thought that Johnson messed up some great Abrams storyline. After the last movie I think people are starting to realize that Abrams never really had some new intuitive idea and that Johnson moved the story in a more interesting fashion.

 

16 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

I would have preferred Abrams did the whole thing. I liked where he was going with TFA before Rian Johnson fucked it all up. But either way, one consistent voice was needed. Either would have been better on their own than this back and forth shit.

 

This post doesnt even make sense. Abrams had every opportunity to go in any direction he wanted  as he was responsible for 2 of the 3 movies. Nothing Johnson did in 8 handcuffed Abrams at all.

 

5 hours ago, MEANS said:

All JJ did with TFA was rehash ANH....yeah great direction to be going. It's obvious from this last film that Di$ney had no plan what so ever when they set out to do these films. Serioulsy....WTF? 

 

I think the problem is that Disney put too much faith into directors. The Marvel movies worked, so Disney thought they could do a similar formula. Marvel movies can do more, because comic book fans are used to bad things happening to a character and then a different version/variant etc happens and that character is back. Its really hard to do a huge swerve with Star Wars because these stories are presumably the final chapter. I also think the backlash to TLJ caused them to take a much more conservative route with the final episode.

In the future when they can create their own universe they wont have to do as much fan service. 

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I adored Rise of Skywalker.

I'm a huge Star Wars fan, know what's canon and what isn't. I thought it was amazing. People love to hate everything.

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On 12/25/2019 at 1:58 AM, Jack Parkman said:

I just got back from Rise of Skywalker, and I can say that this is tied with Rogue One for the best movie after the original trilogy. 

I agree with those that think the prequels get too much hate. 

Revenge of the Sith is a good movie. I actually really like that one. 

The only movies that I think are actually meh to bad are Attack of the Clones and the Last Jedi. (I like SW so much that I can't actually get myself to say any of them are bad. Just varying levels of meh) Even though I didn't like them, I still get enjoyment out of those two. 

I'm convinced the only reason people hate TPM is Jar Jar Binks. Just realize he's a goofy talking C3PO and the movie gets a lot better. Jar Jar and C3PO are basically the same character. One is a droid and one is a Gungan. Get over it. 

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On 1/4/2020 at 3:49 PM, Moan4Yoan said:

Saw it today with my kids.  Snoozer.  How many fake deaths can one movie employ?  Awful.

You can call Rise of Skywalker many things, but I don't think snoozer fits no matter how much you want to hate.

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18 minutes ago, Steve9347 said:

You can call Rise of Skywalker many things, but I don't think snoozer fits no matter how much you want to hate.

Once I realized it was a bunch of fake deaths, it lost its shock value for me.

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On 1/7/2020 at 4:10 PM, Soxbadger said:

 

Many times Ive thought that TLJ will age the best of the trilogy. I feel that people were upset because they thought that Johnson messed up some great Abrams storyline. After the last movie I think people are starting to realize that Abrams never really had some new intuitive idea and that Johnson moved the story in a more interesting fashion.

 

 

This post doesnt even make sense. Abrams had every opportunity to go in any direction he wanted  as he was responsible for 2 of the 3 movies. Nothing Johnson did in 8 handcuffed Abrams at all.

 

 

I think the problem is that Disney put too much faith into directors. The Marvel movies worked, so Disney thought they could do a similar formula. Marvel movies can do more, because comic book fans are used to bad things happening to a character and then a different version/variant etc happens and that character is back. Its really hard to do a huge swerve with Star Wars because these stories are presumably the final chapter. I also think the backlash to TLJ caused them to take a much more conservative route with the final episode.

In the future when they can create their own universe they wont have to do as much fan service. 

You're trying to tell me you watched The Last Jedi and couldn't see that Rian Johnson took many of the characters and storylines in a different direction than Abrams was tracking them for in The Force Awakens??? Did you miss the entire "You're nobody Rey. Anyone can be a Jedi" storyline of the entire movie?

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12 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

You're trying to tell me you watched The Last Jedi and couldn't see that Rian Johnson took many of the characters and storylines in a different direction than Abrams was tracking them for in The Force Awakens??? Did you miss the entire "You're nobody Rey. Anyone can be a Jedi" storyline of the entire movie?

And Abrams was easily able to completely change the direction in the 3rd film so that she was Palpatine's granddaughter.

So again, nothing Rian Johnson did was so damning to Abram's vision. The thing that was damning to Abram's vision, was Abram's vision. Listen to the interviews from Abrams, they make no sense. Rey and Kylo's kiss was like brother/sister. Finn was trying to tell Rey that he was force sensitive. Abram's should have just said nothing and let the fans create more exciting story lines from the unanswered questions. 

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1 hour ago, Soxbadger said:

And Abrams was easily able to completely change the direction in the 3rd film so that she was Palpatine's granddaughter.

So again, nothing Rian Johnson did was so damning to Abram's vision. The thing that was damning to Abram's vision, was Abram's vision. Listen to the interviews from Abrams, they make no sense. Rey and Kylo's kiss was like brother/sister. Finn was trying to tell Rey that he was force sensitive. Abram's should have just said nothing and let the fans create more exciting story lines from the unanswered questions. 

You honestly think Palpatine coming back was Abram's plan all along? I don't even know if Rey being related to a Palpatine was even something that would have ever occured. I'm sure Abrams didn't plan to kill Snoke in the 2nd movie, and maybe not even Luke.

I'm shocked you think Abrams would have done the 2nd movie the exact same way that Rian Johnson did the second movie, to arrive at the storylines of the 3rd movie.

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Does Rey and Kylo's "kind of like siblings" kiss annoy you just as much as Luke and Leia's ACTUAL SIBLINGS kiss?

I totally agree that Rey and Kylo's was absolutely stupid and didn't fit at all, given there was ZERO romantic tension between them ever, but despite there being ACTUAL romantic tension between Luke and Leia, the fact of the matter is still that they are related and that should be even weirder for different reasons.

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16 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

You honestly think Palpatine coming back was Abram's plan all along? I don't even know if Rey being related to a Palpatine was even something that would have ever occured. I'm sure Abrams didn't plan to kill Snoke in the 2nd movie, and maybe not even Luke.

I'm shocked you think Abrams would have done the 2nd movie the exact same way that Rian Johnson did the second movie, to arrive at the storylines of the 3rd movie.

Who said Abrams would do the 2nd movie the same? The argument is whether Abrams could tell the story he wanted in 9, and the answer is yes. Killing snoke could have been explained as that was merely a snoke clone not the real one, which is why they were able to kill him so easily. Luke vanished, he easily could have been brought back. I mean he brought back Palpatine, bringing back Luke/Snoke were much easier.

Abrams couldnt get away from fan service and trying to give everyone everything they wanted. After 40 years I guess maybe I had higher hopes than it just being about Palpatine again, because that kind of destroys the Darth Vader arc.

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8 hours ago, soxfan2014 said:

Hot take: prequel trilogy > Disney trilogy. Episode 1 was obviously garbage but so were 8 and 9.

Episode 1 was not garbage.

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5 hours ago, Soxbadger said:

Who said Abrams would do the 2nd movie the same? The argument is whether Abrams could tell the story he wanted in 9, and the answer is yes. Killing snoke could have been explained as that was merely a snoke clone not the real one, which is why they were able to kill him so easily. Luke vanished, he easily could have been brought back. I mean he brought back Palpatine, bringing back Luke/Snoke were much easier.

Abrams couldnt get away from fan service and trying to give everyone everything they wanted. After 40 years I guess maybe I had higher hopes than it just being about Palpatine again, because that kind of destroys the Darth Vader arc.

You don't think the events of the 2nd movie has any influence on what Abrams did the for 3rd movie?

Then yes, agree to disagree that this trilogy had a cohesive, singular voice throughout the storyline of the 3 movies.

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44 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

You don't think the events of the 2nd movie has any influence on what Abrams did the for 3rd movie?

Then yes, agree to disagree that this trilogy had a cohesive, singular voice throughout the storyline of the 3 movies.

No, Im saying dont blame Johnson for Abrams failures.

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53 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

No, Im saying dont blame Johnson for Abrams failures.

And I'm saying this trilogy would have been better with just 1 of them doing all 3 movies, and based on where the first one could have gone, I liked where Abrams was going. But we don't know where Rian Johnson would have taken his own trilogy since he was inserted in to someone else's world.

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Episode 7 was strictly made for fan service to invoke those same feelings as the late 70's/early 80's.

It succeeded from that standpoint, but wasn't an advance of the story/plot...and makes almost no sense now in terms of scale/scope compared to the final movie overdoing almost everything.

Rogue One still stands out as the best in this generation of films, by far.

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2 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

And I'm saying this trilogy would have been better with just 1 of them doing all 3 movies, and based on where the first one could have gone, I liked where Abrams was going. But we don't know where Rian Johnson would have taken his own trilogy since he was inserted in to someone else's world.

The first movie was a new hope, what could abrams have done, reshot Empire and have the bad guy be the good guys father...

The hard sell of Rey being a nobody is what made the Palpatine twist even marginally tolerable. Had they revealed that in 8, you may as well just have rewatched the original 3.

Well never known what Johnson thought, but Kylo staying bad and Rey being a nobody who rises up was the more interesting story arc.

We already had these storylines:

Good guy turns bad due to manipulation/ emotional circumstances.

Bad guy is good guys relative.

Bad guy finds his good again and helps beat the ultimate villain.

I dont dislike any of the movies, even the prequels, but too much of the last 3 were the just repeat storylines.

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A New Hope - 9

The Empire Strikes Back - 11 (Spinal Tap rating system)

Return of the Jedi - 7

The Phantom Menace - 3 (John Williams score bumps it from a 1 to 3)

Attack of the Clones - 1 (seriously a ridiculously bad movie)

Revenge of the Sith - 5 (gets too much credit for not being as bad as the other PT movies. Not actually a good movie though. It's a mess for many reasons)

The Force Awakens - 5 (Fuck you Kathleen Kennedy)

The Last Jedi - 3 (Fuck you Rian Johnson. Fantastic production though)

Rise of Skywalker - tbd (Fuck you Disney)

 

 

Rogue One - 7 

Solo - 5 (a well made, cookie cutter heist movie that wasn't clever in any way)

The Mandalorian - 7 (It's fun, well made and a step in the right direction, but there isn't much there story wise and a couple of the episodes are just dumb)

 

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