Lillian Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The more that I think about this issue of importing National League players, the more convinced I become that it is a significant risk, which should be avoided if possible. The Frazier deal is only for two years, and if he fails to live up to his N. L. career performance, the Sox can move on. However, signing Upton is another matter. He will require a long term commitment, as well as the loss of a draft pick. It seems like too great of a risk to add yet another N. L. player. Therefore, I'm even more convinced that Cespedes is the better choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 12:17 AM) Or he is just writing what his bosses are asking him to write. Could be some of that but he seems to be so clueless at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Why can't NL players hit in the AL? Not sure I understand the logic behind this theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:34 AM) Why can't NL players hit in the AL? Not sure I understand the logic behind this theory. Adam Dunn Adam LaRoche It's not a theory...it's fact. Or maybe it's just players named Adam. Edited December 17, 2015 by Y2HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:36 AM) Adam Dunn Adam LaRoche It's not a theory...it's fact. Or maybe it's just players named Adam who are lefties who played for the Nationals fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Upton against AL the last three years. 217 ab's, 22 runs, 45 hits, 8 doubles, 7 homers, 23 RBI's, .207 BA AL Central .273, 15 for 55, 2 homers and 6 RBI's. The fact that he's a LFer and Cespedes has a much better arm for RF and the whole NL enigma...along with the fact that Cespedes will require 1-2 less years...has to be him between just those two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:34 AM) Why can't NL players hit in the AL? Not sure I understand the logic behind this theory. None of us are saying that they can't hit in the A. L. However, some of us are skeptical. If it is indeed the case, then the pitching must simply be better, of course. I haven't studied this issue in depth. Can you cite a couple of recent examples which refute this notion? Which recent players have moved from the A. L. to the N. L. and struggled? Which N. L. players have moved to the A. L. and had better success than they had in Senior Circuit? Edited December 17, 2015 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:34 AM) Why can't NL players hit in the AL? Not sure I understand the logic behind this theory. I don't subscribe to it in this case, but lots of bad pitching in the NL that will stay on rosters due to it being easier to pitch in so they look effective. Those same pitchers wouldn't make it in the AL. NL batters see inferior and can mash it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:36 AM) Adam Dunn Adam LaRoche It's not a theory...it's fact. Or maybe it's just players named Adam. Eaton has done pretty well though, another Adam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 It's a very tough choice to make. Love Gordon's OBP , left handedness and defense but he is a big guy and the oldest of the 3 . Afraid injuries and age will slow him down most of the 3 but also might be the least expensive. Many like Upton because of his OBP, relative youth, speed, and power but I dislike career NL guys especially ones who aren't good defensively . He had an odd year. Was very bad against left handers and had some terrible months in June and July. Still his OPS+ was 121 and his OBP has trended down 4 years in a row to a career low .336 . I like Cespedes the best mainly because he is an RBI guy. Now I know some worry about his OBP but he is one of only 3 hitters with 100+ RBI the last 2 years. Abreu and Bautista the others. Would love to make Abreu more comfortable with a fellow Cuban next to him in the lineup. Whether they are friends or not isn't as important . Just having a fellow countryman around is a little slice of home. I want a hitter who hits with guys on base not a guy who walks and leaves it up to the next guy to drive them in. Cespedes hits righties like he's left handed. He really crushes them . In fact he does struggle a bit with left handers sort of like Abreu did in 2015. Even with a mostly righty lineup it appears the Sox would be more vulnerable to left handers. Cespedes also ranks high among OFers in DRS . He hit well for the Tigers so he is familiar with the AL and the AL Central. Any one of the 3 I would be happy with since it's a lot of talent but Cespedes is my pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Rick Hahn was on MLBN just now. Talked a little about how the deal came together. Down played the Upton Cespedes talk and said it was overblown from yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Ha ha, watch the Sox surprise everyone and sign Parra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 06:48 AM) Ha ha, watch the Sox surprise everyone and sign Parra. That is the more likely scenario. Signing Upton or Cespedes is pretty farfetched in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Boo! That would suck the air out of the balloon and piss off the marketing department in one fell swoop...might as well sign Franklin Gutierrez too. Edited December 17, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) That is the more likely scenario. Signing Upton or Cespedes is pretty farfetched in reality. Hahn won't be the GM past 2017 if that's the best he can come up with...half-in doesn't cut it here. Especially with all the AL Central teams seemingly vulnerable and one huge signing swaying the balance. God help us if Detroit signs one of those guys and we're left holding the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) That is the more likely scenario. Signing Upton or Cespedes is pretty farfetched in reality. Someone has to sign these guys...along with Gordon. The logical suitors are narrowing by the day. I think one will end up with Sox, in all honesty, and will be somewhat cheaper (less years) than was projected earlier in the offseason. AAV will still be there, but I could see a 4 year/ $100M deal working for one of these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peppers312 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:41 AM) None of us are saying that they can't hit in the A. L. However, some of us are skeptical. If it is indeed the case, then the pitching must simply be better, of course. I haven't studied this issue in depth. Can you cite a couple of recent examples which refute this notion? Which recent players have moved from the A. L. to the N. L. and struggled? Which N. L. players have moved to the A. L. and had better success than they had in Senior Circuit? Justin Morneau Miguel Cabrera Michael Cuddyer Adrián Beltré Adrián González José Reyes Albert Pujols those are my examples of players who have had success in BOTH the AL and NL. skeptics will always be skeptical, but it can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:01 AM) Boo! That would suck the air out of the balloon and piss off the marketing department in one fell swoop...might as well sign Franklin Gutierrez too. Already been signed, c'mon man, figure your sh*t out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 07:01 AM) Boo! That would suck the air out of the balloon and piss off the marketing department in one fell swoop...might as well sign Franklin Gutierrez too. Ha oh trust me I would love Cespedes. Not only do I think he's the best player but it would mean the most from a marketing standpoint since he was so visible last year with all that MVP talk once he got to the Mets. Then there's the Cuban Whatever it would end up being called pairing him with Abreu. Then start winning and it's Little Havana at the Cell every game. Would be a lot of fun. Add some Cuban drinks to the menu and Ricky Ricardo , Gloria Estafan music , have a Bongo Night giveaway and it's dancing in the aisles . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) That is the more likely scenario. Signing Upton or Cespedes is pretty farfetched in reality. Agreed. If the Sox stick to the 120M payroll then the money isn't there for Cespedes, Upton or Gordon which makes Parra and his left handed bat a much more plausible idea. Sox signing Parra wouldn't surprise me in the least bit. Edited December 17, 2015 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Welcome to the "White Sox are cheap and don't care as much about winning as the bottom line" offseason when all the remaining big names come off the board and musical chairs leaves the Sox as the last team left out in the cold. Half-in=death by 1,000 knife cuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:22 AM) Welcome to the "White Sox are cheap and don't care as much about winning as the bottom line" offseason when all the remaining big names come off the board and musical chairs leaves the Sox as the last team left out in the cold. Half-in=death by 1,000 knife cuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:22 AM) Welcome to the "White Sox are cheap and don't care as much about winning as the bottom line" offseason when all the remaining big names come off the board and musical chairs leaves the Sox as the last team left out in the cold. Half-in=death by 1,000 knife cuts I couldn't roll my eyes harder at this post if I tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Just wait. The Frazier move has everyone excited for the moment, but if that's it, the prevailing theme definitely will be how do you go back to all-in yet again but go about it halfway? The White Sox would struggle to finish third in the division where they stand now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 04:22 PM) Welcome to the "White Sox are cheap and don't care as much about winning as the bottom line" offseason when all the remaining big names come off the board and musical chairs leaves the Sox as the last team left out in the cold. Half-in=death by 1,000 knife cuts well, i will say this WAS true, and i used to be the biggest "show me" where i was wrong attitude. but this yr, i have a feeling that it may be different and i believe this process of changing started last yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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