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Everything about this post is just stupid, dumb, & ignorant and represents everything wrong & cowardly about the internet.

I just want to see how everyone is with the current status of the rebuild. It seems most were on board when it commenced. Anyone like me, seeing some huge issues? it seems most assumed or hoped a rebuild would make the Sox like the Astros or Cubs. Probably the 2 best case scenarios of a total rebuild. But even those teams have made some mistakes. Houston released JD Matinez and passed on Kris Bryant. They also traded Hader to Milwaukee. The Cubs seemed locked into some bad contracts after winning once. They now seem to be taking on Father Time banking on Hamels and Lester at least for 2019. But even with all those missteps, they will be right there again and again. This rebuild has a pitcher who would be have been an odds on favorite for TJ surgery in Vegas, wind up having to have the surgery, and the consensus is, it pushes the entire rebuild back a year. Moncada struggled which in and of itself probably isn’t shocking, but shouldn’t we be at a point where a guy either ranked 1 or 2 should be showing a bit more consistency? Tim Anderson improved in the field and walked several times in April, then no better, maybe even worse offensively than he has ever been. Shouldn’t the lack of progress be concerning? Gio didn’t exactly look like a top prospect on the mound. Lopez definitely had some really good moments, but he even admits to losing focus, and his peripherals have to be a concern. Alec Hansen was awful. Zack Collins was a guy Hostetler said he would have picked 1-1. While he appears he will be a big leaguer, he certainly doesn’t look like so,Rome you would pick first overall. The White Sox spent a lot of cash on Luis Robert. His next professional homer in the US will be his first. He seems to spend more time with trainers than on the field. I am not suggesting he is a bust. I know it is way too soon for that, but the performance has to be a bit concerning. Jake Burgers injuries aren’t the White Sox fault, but he is a guy that carries some extra weight and isn’t so athletic. The injures may make him a wasted pick. Burdi has some diminished velocity. If it’s permanent, he is probably not a guy any better than the crap they have been picking up on waivers. It is possible he was another wasted pick. Guys like Palka, and Delmonico are no reasons to get excited about a rebuild. Cease looks great. Hopefully it will continue, although a past TJ so early scares me he will eventually need another. Eloy is Eloy, but he will have the weight of the White Sox fan base on his shoulders in 2019. Any kind of struggle, and a lot of the people who are loving the rebuild right now may change their mind. Dunning was really doing well, although that is another questionable elbow. Basabe had a far better 2018 than 2017. There just doesn’t seem to be anyone except Eloy close to can’t miss. I would think with as many top 10 draft picks as they have had, as many prospects as they acquired for their good players, as many times as we read Hahn fleeced another team, there should be at least a couple more. Other than perhaps winning a few more games, what has to happen in the next year to keep your faith in the rebuild, KW and RH, and Ricky and his coaches? If they win 70 games, what are the excuses you would buy to keep the faith the right guys are in place, and the White Sox are just a little bit away from dominating the AL Central?

We still don’t have enough pitching with Dunning/Hansen and Cease one major injury away from a bullpen career. We haven’t dipped into the Asian market or improved at all in the Dominican (looks at Paddy). Tatis, Jr. fiasco. Either terrible luck with Rodon/Fulmer/Adams/Beck/Burdi or just not as good as other organizations at pitching talent assessment. Jury still out. Huge questions about the first two guys in Sentence #1. Didn’t bring in a huge haul along with Robert, like MANY teams have done in their one year overshoots. Players that we haven’t seen much out of like Junior Guerra, Jose Martinez and Tyler Flowers have gone on to perform well with other teams (albeit that happens with every franchise). That said, even if you undid the Frazier and Samardzija trades, we’d still basically be in the same middling position talent-wise. Not much success in Rule 5. Jury still out on Covey, but mostly Adrian Nietos here. Collection of relievers has potential, but guys also have a lot to prove...repeating success, or simply establishing themselves. While Rutherford, Adolfo, Gonzalez, Robert and Basabe all have their plus points, none of them are without flaws...in other words, you have to squint really hard to see a 3+ fWAR big leaguer right now. Burger, Sheets, Collins, Walker, Robert and Madrigal all have major warning signs on their hit tools so far. (Obviously, it’s still early to make any determinations, but this year will be huge in determining if this will all work out or blow up in their faces.) Abreu and Avi slid backwards, along with Davidson/Delmonico/Yolmer. Kopech/Giolito/Moncada fell off cliffs of varying expectation heights. Leaving the majority of hopes resting on Jimenez/Cease to be breakout stars... All those things being said, the bigger question is pulling the trigger on the right free agents, and that has been the single biggest weakness in Hahn’s resume. Sure, sure, sure...he’s never had unlimited resources to work with, but does he really have that right now?

Terrible f***** take. He’s a first round pick and a highly regarded relief prospect. He’s recovering from a major injury and everyone responds to injuries differently. Cutting Burdi would be such a terribly stupid thing to do. He still has a ton of promise and TJS is not a death sentence.

Maybe it was on Soxtalk After Dark, an exclusive board for certain members only.

At the end of the season, there was a general consensus at least here on SoxTalk that at the very least both the manager and the hitting coach had to go. Its been over a month since then and there have been no coaching changes. Does this mean that the Sox intend to go into the new season with the same failed coaching staff as last season?

Holy fuck of a post! 18 names?!

The Kopech injury really was a gigantic kick in the balls

IMO, you have Sale, Eaton and Q to trade, you have all of these top 10 or top 11 draft picks as well, anyone is going to hit on someone. I just wonder if these guys will hit on more than the average guy on a message board.

The answer is "most likely not", as new owners usually like the optics of bringing in their own people. But then you have cases like the Astros and Cubs. The new owner of the Astros came in around 2011, saw the very pedestrian record/results of Ed Wade, the GM he inherited, and immediately cleaned house and got rid of him, before he then brought in the now very successful Jeff Luhnow. Similar story with Ricketts and the Cubs. Ricketts came in at the end of 2010, inherited Jim Hendry, but at least gave him a year before dumping him in favor of Theo & Co. In both cases I think Wade and Hendry got replaced because they simply didn't get the job done, at least not in a convincing enough way that a new owner coming in without any loyalties would want to retain them. So to answer your question, what would a new owner coming in today to take over the White Sox think about Hahn & Williams, who have been 1-2/2-1 atop the White Sox front office for the last 18 years, and only have two playoff appearances to show for it, albeit one being the deservedly-heralded World Series championship? A 2-for-18 record is what leads me to believe that a new owner taking over today would "most likely not" retain their services.

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Look at what Khalil Mack has done for the Bears. He turned a team that was getting better, but still down and out, into a division contender. We need to sign one of these two stars to gain some momentum. Not only will they add victories and take pressure of slumping players, but they will also attract other good players to our team.

Yeah he's had some pretty bad drafts. He is able to take average talent on defense and make it work, which I think is his greatest asset.

hahaha. I did preface that plan saying I hate Addison, but strictly between the lines baseball? it does sadly make sense. You're getting two guys for free for taking on heyward. With those three guys in the fold you actually have a formidable team in the AL Central this year... like Minnesota Twins 2017 formidable. A team that has a chance w all going right to sneak into a WC and get blasted. I for one, wouldn't do it - I hated Chapman. I hated Osuna on the Astros. I just generally hate characters like that, but strictly between the lines it's a good baseball move.

I am thinking a depth rotation piece. The Sox are pretty loaded with young MLB lefthanded relievers in Fry, Bummer and Frare, so I'd be surprised if they're looking at Banuelos as a bullpen piece.

I haven't done nearly enough research on this, and I'd like to caveat that I am doing this plan as semi-realistic. This is the footnote version with a full version maybe some weekend when I have time. a) I would explore bad contracts out there on teams close to the luxury tax or that are near the hump - but lack payroll flexibility. Who comes to mind off the top of my head? Rusney Castillo, Jayson Heyward, Dexter Fowler, Ian Desmond, Robinson Cano, Chris Davis .... last one is a very tough one to take on though. I feel like all the others on that list have something to add to a team. You could probably acquire Castillo for nothing and have half or more of his salary paid by the BoSox. Heyward - Addison Russell at 3B - and Happ in your OF for .... nothing? Now I hate Addison Russell and think you stay as far away from him as possible, but just throwing it out for thought. All of a sudden your lineup is rounded out pretty quickly. You have Heyward in RF, Happ in CF and Jimenez in LF. Addy at 3B, Anderson and Moncada up the middle and Abreu at 1b. All you did was take on a bad contract and a terrible human being. Dexter Fowler could be a nice add as a veteran presence. Cano is interesting at 3b? Again, just throwing out names and would explore this angle. You can maybe pick up a decent ball player and/or add a prospect. We have the money, so we should look into it. b) sign a pitcher. I don't care how many arms you think you have, you never have enough. Giolito, Kopech, Hansen, etc. etc. theres always going to be pitchers who you think slot in and then don't. Cease may throw out his arm this year. So could Lopez or almost anybody. I can't take watching Covey out there again. I personally like Ryu versus the others due to his relative cost, but I'd explore thorugh trade and FA to bring in 2-3 arms. c) Sign a few veterans. Last year we didn't do this. We wanted a bare bones roster to see what we had coming up. Well... it worked out how I thought. it's a bunch of AAAA players. I think you sign a McCutchen or an Adam Jones or the likes. I don't care about the roster crunch. I'd rather have guys who have done it right for 10 years show these guys the ropes a bit. that's my basic plan. more detailed one to come.

Means we have poor ownership that has little serious interest in winning

The guy is coming back from a serious injury. You all expect his arm to be in season ready shape right away?

If this guy is fatigued at the minor league level, then he can't make it at the MLB level either. Cut this loser so we can focus on the players with promise.

it was fair to be concerned the second after they drafted him.

More tonight from Fegan on Burdi: "Burdi's goal for AFL was to get back on a normal work schedule, so this is a disappointing development, even if a strong spring training can render it moot." A fan asked, "Heard his velocity is way down. Reason to worry or more of him building it back up?" "It's been 93-95, so between that and running into fatigue, it's fair to be concerned."

Because you never had one other then race bait.

Who cares what his skin color is? You posters are ridiculous

The hair comment ranks up there as one of the slick ways of mentioning race by touching on racial stereotypes instead of just saying it flat out... Your words not mine. I was talking about Machado and I am not generalizing if you need specific examples of his douchebaggery I am more then happy to point them to you things like running with the spikes up, his interviews, stepping on 1B, throwing his bat at players. Who knows what you are talking about other then trying to race bait. The hair comment ranks up there as one of the slick ways of mentioning race by touching on racial stereotypes instead of just saying it flat out... Things that usually fall into that category include items such as that rap music, being lazy, pull up your pants, the neighborhood doesn't look like it used to, black quarterbacks not being smart, thugs, gang members, etc.  My mistake for trying to take you seriously

Yep. White Sox accountants come out of the woodwork again. FWIW, szymborksi mentioned recently that the White Sox heavily outsource their quantitative analysis. So maybe we should remember that we don’t know anything.

Harper is likely signing with the Nationals/Phillies/Yankees/Cubs, but I soooooo badly want him on the White Sox. Machado we might have more of a chance at, but I sooooo badly do NOT want him on the White Sox. I don't care how good he is -- he's not someone I want to cheer for and he seems like someone who will play with half energy after the big pay day. GRRR.

Tbh guys I want to, but I can't stay away. I was serious when I made that thread. Maybe I will take a break from posting.