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I mentioned in another thread that I'm pretty skeptical of a model of that ilk, just because of the diversity of body types in sports. When I was younger and going through trainings, the sentiment at that time was that bulking up would hurt flexibility and limit range so heavy lifting and weight gains would hamper you defensively. Obviously I think some of that was wrong with modern training, but I'm still generally skeptical of a guy gaining athleticism by putting on weight. Maintaining seems possible though. I was surprised to read that they thought if he lost weight, he'd lose athleticism too. I think, in general, those statements are too blanketed and there's probably more to it but if you put on lean muscle mass and shed bulk and some fat, typically your flexibility and the likes increases which improves your athleticism. Obviously all that nuance couldn't be detailed out in 1 paragraph of an article though!

You liked a post in this thread that called the GM (Getz) an idiot and over matched. If you want to try and rewrite history though, go for it!

I think its like 80% credit to Vargas and 20% to the staff giving him a long leash. His biggest change was putting on muscle and swinging harder. Not saying they've made no swing adjustments, but generally I think this is mostly vargas. Team deserves some credit for identifying a player with that will to improve though

I mean, he's been no where near as good as Yordan or Witt.

There is some weird obsession fans have with guys production over small samples. You're literally talking about 46 at bats. To answer your question, he's been worth .6 fWAR. While running a 486 BABIP. Maybe you think he's going to start running 486 BABIP's for fun, but I have my doubts! If he was running a 293 BABIP (where his career has been so far), he'd be hitting around 230 over that period of time. That said, his xwOBA is at a much more respectable 343 over that period of time, but again it's small sample noise. He's very likely still a bad baseball player. He's also been a negative defender over that same period.

Fedde had bad-to-middling stuff and Detmers has very very good stuff. So they're not at all similar to me.

This what I get for responding before reading. Yup, 60 grade speed.

He ran a 4.2 to first in the futures game the other day. That's 60 grade speed. I think it surprised a lot of people. Baseball America had several things on it.

Defensive excellence is less scarce than offensive excellence. Even with the attention and emphasis on defense and baserunning in the modern era, the fact remains that someone will always find a place for a top tier bat who can't defend while top tier defenders who can't hit have short lived careers. I think Bonemer is a top tier bat. And he's a good athlete to boot and isn't a worthless defender. Is he as good as roch, sounds like no, but he can play the field and has ++ speed which roch doesn't have. I'd bet on caleb to be a stand out offensive player more than I'd bet on roch to be, which is why I'd take bonemer over Roch.

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In my opinion, if anything baseball related is causing the back issue it's his violent swing. Not playing defense.

I find it fascinating that people think you can play 3rd base with a bad back but not SS. Last I checked, you can't play baseball with a bad back.

"They expressed Thursday night that they wanted me to be the guy, and they knew I wanted to be there, I felt like things definitely got a lot easier," Cholowsky said. Not that this isn't all theater anyway when you allow this type of "access" in a hyper-insular and competitive environment but it does make this particular detail pretty funny.

Dont even think Lackey can overtake my love of Bonemer but it would have been neck and neck! I might like Bonemer more than I liked Ant, but that might be pushing it!

Bonemer over Roch 100 out of 100 times. Defensive edge probably makes roch safer, but I'll take the guy who is younger and pulling a wRC+ of 134 in pro ball across A+ and AA over the older guy with a 146 wRC+ in college every single time.

I think you hurt his value significantly by moving him. Taking a 2B 1-1 would be bad process. I agree it's good to consider it, but don't love that possibility at all. I enjoyed the read. Ill say this though, the Sox appear to view 2 strike numbers as solely approach driven - you can see that with Colson everyday. 2 strike numbers are also the outcome of having to swing at pitches you wouldnt normally swing at. They obviously/hopefully have numbers on swing speed and etc with 2 strikes to help drive here, but 2 strike numbers are a product of situation as much as approach. So it's not just a byproduct of how he's attacking in those counts. Almost everyone sees a decline in numbers with 2 strikes vs 1 and 2. I also have a ton of skepticism around a model projecting athleticsm based on weight gains and losses. Especially one that correlates putting on weight with growth in perceived athleticsm. The inference that he wouldnt lose weight though is interesting as most players lose weight throughout the season (at least ones with off-season lifting programs) because they dont lift with the same frequency in season. Buster was losing 15-20 pounds a season, and I remember talking to Joe at a showcase when I was 17 and he was telling me he always went into the season 5-10 pounds over where he'd end the year.

So Burdette is better than Burress? Seems pretty laughable to me. And people thought me liking the #8 prospect more than the #2 prospect was crazy!

Nice to read a different perspective. It seemed his lack of position was due to a lack of defensive ability and speed. He's also old for high school which is a little concern. Seems like a lesser version of Brett Baty. TBD

Colson would have won it, but no one in baseball considers my guy for anything.

Definitely a fan of this profile. If I had to draft a high school arm, it looks like this. Getting people out with command and pitch ability and a good mix, but has the frame to add velo as a pro in a much safer and more controlled environment. Liked Contreras more but looks like he wasn't signing. If recent outcomes have proven anything it's that way more pitchers can go find top velo. Sitting 90-93 in high school is absolutely perfect.

Weird, because everything I've read is Prosek has no position, can't defend and isn't a great athlete. I feel like that's a very high risk profile - a bat-only high school pick.

If a player drafted in the top 10 rounds doesn't sign, you lose the pool money and the pick. If you draft him round 11 and he doesn't sign, I don't believe that happens. So taking the high schooler who may not sign makes sense in round 11+.

Hmm, Jim growth was likely fueled by something else... I just can't put the needle on it.

Love everything about contreras. Sitting 94 in high school, touching 97 but projects into the velo. Big frame that hasn't filled out. One elite secondary in that splitork that is developed and just needs reps/command. Was fun to watch in the WBC. Flaws on display but tools screaming.

Agree. Easy to love or hate everything.