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I'd imagine they have several more moves to make...

Oh man, that can get you such a haul of relief pitchers.

I wasn't implying that you didn't understand the phrase, I was implying that it's absurd to rely solely on pixie dust and luck over and over. We, well the majority of us anyway, didn't know at the time that this FO could/would fail at a rebuild, so it was time to try something different. Now we know.

I mean, the lightning in a bottle phrase is literally referred to as such because it describes something that is extremely difficult or unlikely. Maybe the tank/rebuild was destined to fail because of the schmoes running the show, but they're the same schmoes that would have been running whatever the alternatives were.

Curious what you think the other options were. Like actual options that JR would have signed off on.

Easy - Trade for Salvy and put him out in LF on the days he’s not catching.

And if you don’t take a shot, well, then you are the same old White Sox we all know. Cooked for the next decade anyway from a series of slow self-inflicted burns.

The Rangers desperately needed a top of the rotation starter and they got the best one available. They are taking a chance and they are trying to win. Good for them.

This is the kind of clearance rack shopping I think they're doing as well.

This is what actually trying to win looks like.

Aside from the obvious things, I’m also going to miss him randomly sprinting from first to the dugout on the third out of the inning.

“There’s so much talent here, including half a dozen or so still-youngish players who should be part of the organization over the long haul. But when the Sox reached for the top, it’s almost like upper management decided that hanging out at Base Camp was pretty sweet, leaving no need to head for the summit.”

Another huge difference is Houston’s ability to develop SP. The Cubs had to use a lot of their resources to buy pitching.

I mean, that's how it is every year though. 2-3 top dogs and then a bunch of teams with a "Phillies-like shot."

Just wanted to say I’ve enjoyed the back and forth of these last handful of posts. Every point and counterpoint is well thought out where I’ve found myself agreeing with both sides ?‍♂️

And they just keep doing this sort of thing over and over. Surely Andrew Vaughn can step in and be an adequate outfielder. Surely Gavin Sheets can be our big left handed bat (and an adequate outfielder lolol). If it works out, they’re the smartest guys in the room (and they’ll be sure to let you know it). And if it doesn’t work out, there aren’t really any repercussions, at least not ones they seem to care much about.

Relatedish…Twins new uniforms just dropped. Love the home whites, the rest are whatever

Yup. They really gotta balance out the home and alternates a bit more.

That's where I would disagree. I feel like their version of being serious is settling for a team that is "good enough" and then hoping best case scenarios play out (i.e. Andrew Vaughn you are now a starting outfielder, Gavin Sheets you are our big left handed bat and also an outfielder). They don't exactly go the extra mile to fill holes.

I'd say they're serious by White Sox standards, but not relative to actual contenders in the league. And yes, they are not good at their version of serious.

I feel like it’s a little more nuanced than you either are or aren’t injury prone. Take someone like Aaron Judge. 2017: Played in 96% of his team’s games 2018: 70% 2019: 63% 2020: 47% 2021: 91% 2022: 97% Is he injury prone or not? I’m not saying some guys aren’t more of a risk than others, but to definitively decide now that he’ll never stay healthy seems shortsighted.

I totally get this thinking. And honestly, if that’s the case, trade Gio, trade Lynn, trade Hendriks (and TA?). Finish 2nd, finish 4th, whatever, it’s all the same. What’s maddening to me is the balancing act of sort of focusing on the present and sort of focusing on the future, while not doing either effectively. Pick a lane.

I think this illustrates in general how difficult it is to field a competitive team in the present WHILE worrying about still staying competitive in the future. But even more so with the Sox and their self-imposed restrictions and insistence on getting in their own way. Based on the current roster, contracts and closing window, I’d argue that this is exactly the time to buy a rental. It’s a win now move. And if they’re not actually trying to win now, then what are they even doing? Oh, that’s right, they’re trying to field a consistently second place team that prides itself on being “good enough” and relies on catching breaks and best case scenarios playing out. To be clear, I’m with you that Winker probably doesn’t move the needle enough to be worthy of a rental, but this is the corner they’ve painted themselves in and I think it’s a slightly better move than continuing to half-ass it.

You’re a more generous grader than I am. I liked the extensions of Moncada, Eloy, TA and Robert at the time, and think they were generally well received, again, at the time. I’d say the same about the Grandal signing and the Lynn trade. And after that they just sort of…stopped? Combine that “we’re good enough” arrogance with some of the above moves not aging well and yiiiiikes, here we are.

DH?