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When they play like this they hint at what could have been, consistency is a big issue for this team, they are either good or bad, there is nothing inbetween. Plus it is always good to beat the Yankees no matter how good they are playing.

Why would Hahn even mention it? He slammed Middleton for breaking the 'what goes on in the clubhouse rule' and then promptly did it himself by teasing this story and saying Middleton himself apologised for being unprofessional. Hahn would say anything to try an wriggle off the hook of his own incompetence. By teasing this story he just ensured it stays in the media and speculation longer than if he just said that he refuted Middleton's claims.

Back problems can be intermittant and/or only restrict certain movements, but Moncada has to be one of the biggest busts of this whole rebuild, but we are stuck with him as no one else will take on his contract. The only hope is that if he can get proper rest and treatment for his back in the close season he won't suck as bad next season. Even is his bat is never more than average he was good at 3B before this season.

Eloy and Moncada would be in the sick bay!

They would probably hire Ron Burgundy instead.

To be honest even calling it an 'Organisation' is a bit of a misnomer. There is absolutely nothing organised about it.

Why? Is he anticipating big crowds?

In those 12 years there have been only 3 winning seasons (one of which was the 60 game season) and one .500 season, and they reached the playoffs twice. I think that explains why there have been 5/6 managers in that period. If any one of them had been consistently winning then they wouldn't have been replaced

It is difficult to tell. But having said that I think a lot of experienced managers would struggle with this squad and FO. I think it was very telling that Grifol was the 'best' they could find to manage a squad that was supposedly in its window for challenging for a World Series. Either the FO is just plain incompetent (very likely) or there genuinely weren't any better candidates willing to take on the job (which is very worrying).

Looks like they are a perfect fit for the White Sox!

I gave him a hopeful C The actual trades made will only be good if the White Sox can actually train them properly so that they develop to near their potential, something the White Sox haven't been good at. Equally, it was only a C because I think they could have cleared out more than they did. I was sad to see Burger flipped but unless they are going to get rid of Moncada (which will be virtually impossible given what he is owed in 2024) then Burger really has no position other than DH, and his value was probably near its peak at the moment.

To be honest many sports teams dressing rooms are populated by people who are not 'grown ass men' mentally, they may be physically. Elite sportsmen have usually led a sheltered and coveted lifestyle from an early age when their talent became apparent. They are used to people bending over backwards to please them, by the time they reach the MLB or any elite sports level too many of them think that 'they have made it' and don't really take on criticism or have any self criticism. That is why someone from their peer group of players who either leads by example or call them out when they are not performing is often the difference between a team like the White Sox who drift along and underachieve and a team that is motivated and over achieves. Coaches and managers do play a part, but players know that usually the manager or coaches will be the first to be sacked for poor performance because that is easier than getting rid of a whole number of players. The rot set in under TLR but it seems to have got far worse under Grifol, it makes you wonder if there is any player backing up what the manager says. The big trouble is that once this indifference has set in it takes a very charismatic manager or strong player leaders to change the culture, and it would appear the White Sox have neither.

As the Sox won't be competing in 2024 why screw up his development as a starter like they have done with Crochet, and tried to do with Kopech.

I love the fact that a White Sox win gets less than one page of comments, but a defeat gets 15 pages! I think that just about sums up where the fanbase is now.

As usual Hahn will go for a bodge job of trying to do both and then achieve neither.

Not only that but he seemed to be trying to teach the players how to do things properly, and to have the right attitude, win or lose. At the moment the attitude is possibly the biggest problem, the players seem totally demotivated and indifferent. Renteria was an average manager but after the last 3 seasons even an average manager would seem like a massive improvement.

But the last 2 1/2 seasons the attitude has stunk; bad performances are one thing but the whole atmosphere around the team has been one of indifference. Ultimately it is the manager's job to motivate players. amongst other things, at least under Ricky Renteria he was trying to imbue the right attitude in the players. Not saying this team would be winning in the play offs under Renteria, because the same depth issues and holes in the roster would exist, but the attitude might be better and as a result performances. But at the moment they seem to be losing and not caring, every now and again one of them trots out the same old phrases about how much they want things to improve and this is too talented a bunch of players to keep losing, but the proof is out their on the field, they are simply going through the motions and losing .

Exactly, this time last year some people on here were calling for Giolito do be Dfa'd. Getting 2 top 5 prospects is a fair trade, if only the Sox development could actually help them progress into good MLB players.

Preferably to watch a team other than the White Sox

So still a mathematical chance! ?

This is one of the biggest failings of this organisation, many of the prospects drafted or traded for in the last few years have simply failed to live up to their billing. In very few of those cases were the original drafts or trades massively criticised but the Sox have ruined them in one way or another. Just look at the 'development' of Crochet and Kopech, neither of whom look like ever reaching anywhere near the higher end of their potential.

Does this mean Hahn won't be selling anyone at the trade deadline now that the second half surge has begun and they are only 8.5 games back?

After the disaster the day before that was a nice win. Whether they can they string 2 good games together is open to question.

What a depressing reality! And the hope that trading will bring in anyone capable of helping next season is slim so long as Hahn is doing those trades.