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It is difficult to tell. But having said that I think a lot of experienced managers would struggle with this squad and FO. I think it was very telling that Grifol was the 'best' they could find to manage a squad that was supposedly in its window for challenging for a World Series. Either the FO is just plain incompetent (very likely) or there genuinely weren't any better candidates willing to take on the job (which is very worrying).

Looks like they are a perfect fit for the White Sox!

I gave him a hopeful C The actual trades made will only be good if the White Sox can actually train them properly so that they develop to near their potential, something the White Sox haven't been good at. Equally, it was only a C because I think they could have cleared out more than they did. I was sad to see Burger flipped but unless they are going to get rid of Moncada (which will be virtually impossible given what he is owed in 2024) then Burger really has no position other than DH, and his value was probably near its peak at the moment.

To be honest many sports teams dressing rooms are populated by people who are not 'grown ass men' mentally, they may be physically. Elite sportsmen have usually led a sheltered and coveted lifestyle from an early age when their talent became apparent. They are used to people bending over backwards to please them, by the time they reach the MLB or any elite sports level too many of them think that 'they have made it' and don't really take on criticism or have any self criticism. That is why someone from their peer group of players who either leads by example or call them out when they are not performing is often the difference between a team like the White Sox who drift along and underachieve and a team that is motivated and over achieves. Coaches and managers do play a part, but players know that usually the manager or coaches will be the first to be sacked for poor performance because that is easier than getting rid of a whole number of players. The rot set in under TLR but it seems to have got far worse under Grifol, it makes you wonder if there is any player backing up what the manager says. The big trouble is that once this indifference has set in it takes a very charismatic manager or strong player leaders to change the culture, and it would appear the White Sox have neither.

As the Sox won't be competing in 2024 why screw up his development as a starter like they have done with Crochet, and tried to do with Kopech.

I love the fact that a White Sox win gets less than one page of comments, but a defeat gets 15 pages! I think that just about sums up where the fanbase is now.

As usual Hahn will go for a bodge job of trying to do both and then achieve neither.

Not only that but he seemed to be trying to teach the players how to do things properly, and to have the right attitude, win or lose. At the moment the attitude is possibly the biggest problem, the players seem totally demotivated and indifferent. Renteria was an average manager but after the last 3 seasons even an average manager would seem like a massive improvement.

But the last 2 1/2 seasons the attitude has stunk; bad performances are one thing but the whole atmosphere around the team has been one of indifference. Ultimately it is the manager's job to motivate players. amongst other things, at least under Ricky Renteria he was trying to imbue the right attitude in the players. Not saying this team would be winning in the play offs under Renteria, because the same depth issues and holes in the roster would exist, but the attitude might be better and as a result performances. But at the moment they seem to be losing and not caring, every now and again one of them trots out the same old phrases about how much they want things to improve and this is too talented a bunch of players to keep losing, but the proof is out their on the field, they are simply going through the motions and losing .

Exactly, this time last year some people on here were calling for Giolito do be Dfa'd. Getting 2 top 5 prospects is a fair trade, if only the Sox development could actually help them progress into good MLB players.

Preferably to watch a team other than the White Sox

So still a mathematical chance! ?

This is one of the biggest failings of this organisation, many of the prospects drafted or traded for in the last few years have simply failed to live up to their billing. In very few of those cases were the original drafts or trades massively criticised but the Sox have ruined them in one way or another. Just look at the 'development' of Crochet and Kopech, neither of whom look like ever reaching anywhere near the higher end of their potential.

Does this mean Hahn won't be selling anyone at the trade deadline now that the second half surge has begun and they are only 8.5 games back?

After the disaster the day before that was a nice win. Whether they can they string 2 good games together is open to question.

What a depressing reality! And the hope that trading will bring in anyone capable of helping next season is slim so long as Hahn is doing those trades.

Good to see that the 2nd half revival, and plenty of games left, didn't last one inning of the second half of the season.

Hahn has bricked up the window.

That would be the same Diekman who is now pitching better at Tampa Bay afterbeing released by the White Sox!

Concise and to the point!

Yes but Hahn should be held accountable for his failures. If his replacement is no better that is not a reason not to sack Hahn.

This will be difficult without trading the likes of Giolito and other high earners with short time left on contracts, and once you do that you might as well do a rebuild. Also there is virtually no point trying to improve the current team because even if by some miracle of mediocrity in the Central Division they scraped into the play offs they would be beaten in the first round anyway. I agree that Hahn supervising another rebuild is an unpleasant thought but as JR is unlikely to sack him we just have to hope that Hahn gets lucky this time (unlikely as that thought is).

Its almost as if he is trying to p*ss off the fans so that he then has an excuse to move the franchise due to lack of attendance.

Just not a very funny one.

29th in walks as well.