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I'm torn on Eloy being special. I know injuries are the wildcard with him. But his body of work suggests he's too brittle.

Not with the current manager. I wonder if the Sox can acquire some decent bullpen guys. If not it might be more valuable to go with openers and 3 inning max guys. Cease and Clevinger might be pretty nasty in the 3-inning role. Sox have got to get some guys who can pitch 3-4 effective innings.

Thanks for the update on hitting in the playoffs. I truly am not following the baseball postseason. Baseball has pretty much lost my interest after decades of zealousness. Like my teachers used to say if you feel that way, rest assured somebody else does too, thus i suspect baseball is declining in interest postseason-wise and soon it'll be like pro soccer. Baseball has a lotta problems, folks. Of course one of the biggest problems is the joke called the White Sox. p.s. what's going on with the pitching? Are starters making it through the fifth?

True. That's why I never wanted a tank/rebuild. Get in the playoffs and see what happens.

Can anybody who watches postseason baseball fill me in? Have the teams that are successful been playing "modern baseball?" i.e. the lift and pull thing where you win if you hit more HRs than the foe? Has this been happening or is anybody playing old style ball? Running, singles gappers? As far as pitching, are all the teams playing the 5 inning game for starters then turning to 4-5 relievers? I haven't watched anything except 2 innings of an Arizona game and I think all the D-backs hitters struck out during the stint I watched. Or most of 'em. It looked like the same ol modern boring ball. HRs are not that exciting folks. They are OK but again, let's change the rules and have four innings of HR derby to conclude games and 5 innings of actual ball. I did notice in the 2 innings I've watched that the batters for the most part were staying in the box and the pitch clock seemed dandy. One guy did step out surprisingly and did the Konerko glove routine. Weird.

Pulling for Jose all the way. Go Houston.

Glad to read this. One of the first posts suggesting things 'could' change quickly. Hopefully the Sox have a plan and will attack it right away once the WS ends. If this plan means acquiring Whit and Salvy right away, that to me is absurd. Maybe they think Sox just have to have these two 'winners' who in contrast to that belief lost a zillion games for pathetic teams in KC.

Hi Bob, I meant and prolly wrote it poorly that the Royals should demand Montgomery and one of Cease/Eloy if they figure the Sox are that desperate to get Salvy. If our manager wants Salvy this badly, KC should demand Monty and somebody else that's allegedly good. Obviously I don't want Salvy or Whit. I'd take Massey though.

I mean I'd be all for Salvy as manager. He's obviously got a clue. But he's old, slow and another guy who gets hurt. Whit is just another guy. Pass on him. At least Massey is younger with some southside pride. He's no star but could hold the fort at 2B til the Sox get their act together. From the Royals side ... Royals should ask for that one stud we have in the minors is his name Montgomery (?) and also Eloy or Cease, one of the two, take a chance on Eloy/Cease if we are dumb enough to go for Salvy. Make them throw in Massey and if Sox have to they can throw in one of our hack relievers. BTW, Sox were so dumb years ago to not keep Semien. He woulda been a huge part of our infield and with he and Abreu and the old Timmy the Sox might have had something. Also maybe it would make Moncada play harder with Semien, Abreu and the old TA his infield partners. Sox can't judge talent. Semien is/was GOOD.

Salvy is not a good addition. Pedro wants him for leadership huh? His leadership couldn't help KC escape patheticness the last 2 seasons. Please get rid of Pedro. Geez. How dumb do they think their ticket buyers are. You don't fork over money to see Pedro-ball. Say no to Whit as well. If Sox do get Salvy, they are getting an old guy who is not fast anymore and doubtful he'll hit 30 homers even in the Cell. I'd rather have Mike Massey than Whit.

Fans are fans. I'm sure they are thrilled with Jose now. Mr. October indeed. He still had 90 RBI in the regular season. Hit .237. They shouldn't care about a stat like batting average which means nothing. He drew 42 walks. 130 strikeouts is high but not in 2023, Go Jose, keep it up in postseason sir!

I like anything that makes Jose look good. Wish I felt the same about any current White Sox. To be honest there's not one Sox player I'd defend against attacks on here. And not one coach. Just Steve Stone. I still 'worship' him in a non religious sense. Not as high on Jason B. Go Jose!!

Ha ... my guy Abreu homered again tonight. And the Sox wouldn't resign him and tons of fans were ready for him to leave. Result, Sox 101 losses; Astros happy! Way to go Jose Abreu! You sir are a 'winner' advanced stats be darned.

Abreu slugs two homers, five RBIs even though RBIs don't matter in the analytics era. Ha. Way to let him go, White Sox. Your locker room by all accounts was a mess this season and Jose clutch as usual. Never smart business to let go a fan favorite for no reason. Sox really replaced him well, lol. 101 losses. Hope Astros win a title for Jose.

I would trade Eloy for two GOOD pitchers. Get rid of him, Injury prone.

I think you are right. They could put together an amazing highlight film package of Vaughn. He's just wildly inconsistent. He did hit .258, which is not good but it's not .220. He did have 80 rbis which for this team was MVP-like. And unlike most of the team he appears to hustle as you said and enjoy the game. If he could somehow become more consistent and lay off the bad pitches he could be a 30 to 35 homer, 110 RBI guy (old school stats). I'd work with him this offseason and get him a sports psychologist, though the Sox aren't good at that.

Excellent point, LipMan. They won't be lowering parking or concession prices or going to paper tickets. Won't ever happen.

If baseball goes to 3 inning guys in the future and kills the position of starter he might be pretty good if he'd throw strikes.

But it's so strange TV companies that covered baseball are going bankrupt and Sox attendance blows now and is downward trending. It takes a huge payroll to get decent players and yet the Sox are worth 2 billion. Also the world has never been in a more precarious state (Covid type diseases can shut it down, violence if it doesn't stop could shut it down; wasn't there a gun incident in the Cell?). It seems there are so many things downward trending re. baseball yet ... Sox are worth 2 bill. If I were Jerry I'd sell it and take the 2 bill and start dishing it to his survivors.

I find it absolutely weird that the Sox will see another 30% drop off in season tickets and additional huge drop in TV ratings and yet the franchise is worth what, 2 billion dollars? And didn't the Ballys sports network or one of those fold and have to be taken over by MLB? Yet the Sox are worth 2 bill? Must be nice to be a sports owner when this non sequitir exists. I guess the Sox have a ballpark worth a lot of money (parking) and are still selling a lot of merchandise to go with whatever their TV deal is despite the fact nobody watches anymore.

Tough loss to Nazareth 31-30. Looks like we aren't going to make the state playoffs. Maybe next year the domination begins with all the good JV and soph teams moving up. I guess we could beat Montina and Rita and go 5-4 but I doubt it. Not our year.

Is that true? 3 accusers is serious stuff. I have seen the alleged victim in this latest case appear on a lot of TV shows or podcasts. Not sure what she's been saying. Not interested in watching this saga unfold. Sad if she made it up.

Cause there's really nothing to talk about otherwise re. our fave team. In the past I'd get in hot water cause we'd discuss Abreu and I'd express my support/love for him and face the music from the haters. Or we could discuss a good pitching prospect like Cease. Now? Pretty much we can't discuss any player cause all of 'em are unlikeable. Think about it, who on our team do you enjoy watching and are willing to discuss positively in a thread? Cease? That ship appears to have sailed. Too many pitches in his starts and walks ... Vaughn and Sheets? Not quite ... TA? Ugh. Only hope for him is amazing offseason work and comeback player of the year ... Moncada? Please ... Robert? OK but he still gets hurt too much lessening his loveability ... Kopech? 27 years old and trending downward. ... That new catcher we got? Appears to be a much worse hitter than Gary Peters. ... Trades? Nobody can logically discuss trades cause our guys are being dealt at their lowest possible value. In other words ... no discussion of the Sox can be held without discussing the fact the team reeks. None of us want that but there are no likeable players, the manager appears to be way overmatched and the GM has no experience. The owner is eminently unlikeable, seemingly satisfied with the one WS title. There are no topics to discuss. There are other threads to discuss MLB on the whole.

Ditto me. And the scary thing is I came very close to stopping to check the box scores. I like to see if Vaughn is building his BA at all even though BA means nothing now. Also I like to see if a position player pitched in all our routs. I will say Pedro in September never put in a position player. He put in some hack reliever to close out blowout losses. Once I stop even checking the box scores of Sox games, I'd be done completely. i don't want to be done. I want to like the Sox and MLB again. I have no desire to watch the playoffs. That never happens to me. ... I'm not alone if ratings are down 40 percent. WOW.

Me too.