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I'd deal Bmac, Gio and Anderson for Michael Young. Don't know if the Rangers would though.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 05:39 PM) could the Sox spin lowell of to another team for some prospects if they get him. What other team needs a 3rd baseman? Dodgers or Angels could use one. However, I don't see the Sox spinning off Lowell to a team like the Angels. They sure as hell aren't going to help a team in playoff contention unless they got something that would help them in return. I think the Sox plan on using Lowell as depth. He can be a part time DH, play a little LF, and play 3rd (to fill in for Crede). Plus after this year he'd replace one of Frank/Paulie.

No way Texas moves him. They lose Soriano at the end of the year and will either slide Young over to 2nd or Kinsler (SS prospect) that way. They'd be freaking morons if they dealt Young. However, I'd gladly give up an assload for him.

The Sox and Marlins are still enough apart for there to be no negotation window between Burnett and the Sox. Levine reported the Sox would be willing to offer AJ 30 million. However, before they can set aside a window for his agent, the Sox and Marlins would have to get closer on a deal. The major holdup is the Marlins would like a veteran starter in return and may have to swing another deal (to get that veteran) prior to (or after) picking up Brandon/Marte. There has also been some talk of Lowell potentially coming. Basically put, there is definately some smoke to this, but nothing imminent.

I have very little expectations for Frank down the stretch. Heck the past couple weeks the club woudl of been better letting Everett stick as the every day DH. If Carl does well between now and the deadline, I don't think the Sox will add a bat. They could do something after the non-waiver deadline though.

Wish I could make it out there for this.

QUOTE(Goldmember @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 05:30 PM) they should be mad at padres brass who gave him that right... Yep. I can't blame him. Personally I'd probably accept the deal regardless of how much I like it. I'm not the type of person that would want to stick around a place where your not wanted. Still, If he accepts the trade than he moves to Bmore and than becomes a FA and than has to move again.

Flat out the Padres fans are very very upset with Nevin. This is the 2nd time Nevin has nixed a deal as he was dealt for Griffey two offseasons ago.

Just want to point out that he never had any surgery. I'm 99% sure Cerb will catch that, but wanted to make sure just in case

Staying Pat isn't necessarily a horrible thing. Look at the Angels, they have rarely done much anything at the deadline and they won the series a couple years back.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 08:19 PM) The only problem I'd have is that if the Sox deal Contreras and Bmac they have zero options if Duque or another starter goes down. That doesn't sound like Ozzie at all, if Contreras is part of any deal, I think it would have to be one helluvah deal(s) favoring us. Thats what I'm saying. It really wouldn't make sense for the Sox to lose that option, especially considering El Duque isn't exactly a workhorse whose known for staying healthy. I can't see the Sox giving up both Contreras and Bmac unless they get something to the point that Kenny feels confident rolling the dice. You also have to figure at this point, assuming the other 4 starters stay healthy, the Sox are going to make the playoffs, so if Duque went down, sure it would hurt the Sox down the stretch, it wouldn't knock them out of playoff contention (its going to take a lot more than having a s***ty 5th starter to do that, imo) and quite frankly your 5th starter is rarely a contributing factor in the playoffs (I know Lowe kicked ass last year for the BoSox).

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 08:09 PM) If Contreras is included then I have to agree with others that there is something else in the works. Contreras+Marte+BMac amounts to WSox freeing up $6M. That's about what they would take on in Wagner & Vizquel. I don't think the Sox have the chips to make all those type of deals. However, they could get Vizquel and Eyre...that would make sense. Valido and Gio and Bmac are dealt at the deadline (plus Marte and Contreras) Sox get Burnett, Vizquel, Mota and Eyre. Maybe they move Lowell or they could keep him. I'd think any expanded deal with the Marlins would give teh Sox something else they'd want. They aren't going to give up Contreras, Bmac, and Marte all in the same deal for just Burnett thats for sure.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:06 PM) Jeez, I'd marry any guy that got tickets to take me to a Sox world Series game. Anyway, that series was before my time, even my dad doesn't remember it (he was 4). Waits for Mr. Showtime to show up

Little more rumors: Sources indicated Williams also was working on deals to bring in more bullpen help, especially if Marte is traded, and another middle infielder. The reliever will not be Philadelphia closer Billy Wagner, who was taken off the trade market because the Phillies are still in the NL East and wild-card races. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines

Van Dyke has a new article in the trib. The gist is the deal is on hold for the time being. However Kenny wants to sign AJ long term and Ozzie has only very very positive things to say about AJ. The big piece of the deal is the Sox deal is centered around Marte/Bmac, however, there is talk of an expanded deal that would include Contreras. At first I kind of shutter at the thought of this. However, if the Sox are going to make a trade they would be moving Contreras to the pen. Now whose to say Contreras would make a good closer. What if the Sox got depth in Lowell and Mota (who could definately do a very good job if healthy in the pen). Or could the Sox find some other help? I don't know, but it makes sense to get a guy like Mota. The only problem I'd have is that if the Sox deal Contreras and Bmac they have zero options if Duque or another starter goes down.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 07:45 PM) If your AJB's agent, and the White Sox are offering you 3 yr 30 mil....you'd have to think the Yanks or Red Sox or another team would offer more money than that. Burnett is easily the most coveted FA on the market this offseason. I think he gets between 8 and 10 million. We shall see what happens though.

I'm glad you have people like Levine and Gammons. They hear something (and they do have contacts) and they pass it on. Doesn't mean they are going to be right, but I want to know who they are interested in (keeps me interested at least and gives you an idea of what the club is looking at, doesn't mean its going to happen).

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:23 PM) hate to sound pessimistic, but I think those sellouts were mainly the Red Sox bandwagon, er, I mean Red Sox Nation. Remember though, huge crowds for the Detroit series as well (It was Maggs 1st time back, but that isn't why they were sellouts, imo (part of the reason, sure). Fan support is definately growing

He didn't give up a run in todays game? He pitched quite well actually. Manny got a hit off him after Duque crapped over. His velocity was fine and he did his job.

QUOTE(BlackBetsy @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 04:11 PM) McCarthy having a "plus" change is news to me. He didn't have any confidence in it at the major league level, and as far as I know he learned it rather recently. That said, McCarthy is the one #1 starter prospect in the system. At 6'7" 190 and his age, I expect him to: (1) gain 30-40 pounds over the next 5 years, and gain 3-4 mph on his fastball; and (2) learn another breaking pitch such as a cut fastball to take away reliance on his straight fastball. Burnett is a #3 starter when he's on and has benefitted greatly from pitching in one of the best pitcher's parks in the league. I'm not real anxious to give up McCarthy for that, especially when signing Burnett is up in the air. Now, if you told me someone farther away from the big leagues - like Gio Gonzalez - was the man going along with Marte, I'd say giddyup, even though Gio might be a great starter someday. The plan with Bmac is to have him develop a cutter this spring. As far as the changeup goes, its a pitch that Brandon harnessed last season. He changed the grip on it and it basically formented his progress. Unfortunately, its a pitch that hasn't been called much at the major league level. He's not the one calling the pitches, but watch film of his clips in spring training and you'll see his changeup was the big thing. Stone was talking about it when he was in the booth and Coop has often talked about it being his best pitch. Is he totally confident in it yet, no, but Bmac is a very very picky pitcher who is a perfectionist and because of this it will only get better. The other issue is its not a pitch thats thrown much in Charlotte because quite frankly the place is a bandbox and its a pitch he has lost a little confidence in. That said, he's starting to regain confidence in it and thats going to be the key to him turning into a #1 or 2 starter. By the way, I agree with the rest of your post.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 04:08 PM) While this would be good news, it is Harold Reynolds and its mostly crap that comes out of his mouth. I still say, no move would be greater for this team than Omar Vizquel. Billy Wagner would be a close 2nd (i'm talking about realistic move too...not like a Timo Perez for Roger Clemens deal).

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 04:09 PM) Yeah, I guess my question is why wouldn't they start him in AA or AAA if the concensus is that he's ready? Mainly because he's been out for a while. You basically want him to get his feet wet. Get him some confidence and some innings than move him up a few weeks at a time.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 04:08 PM) A's did the same thing with Street last year and he should have been in the majors. We'll see Hansen in September barring major suckage. Ya, especially when you consider how bad Boston's pen is right now. Hansen has better stuff than Chief (aka Chad Cordero) who made it to the bigs in his first season drafted for the Nationals. Of course Cordero mixes his stuff with great control (his hard slider is nasty too).

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 04:07 PM) Another guy who is available for next to nothing is Soriano of Texas. Of course you wouldn't want him playing secondbase much. But depending on Thomas' status he would make a pretty interesting DH with a lot of power and speed and strikeouts. Plus you could non tender him during the off season. I believe he is arb eligible. Its just a thought, I would prefer a LH bat. He could be a very intriguing DH. I think Soriano is someone the Sox could look at this offseason as well. He's a great athlete and is a heck of a player. Definately don't want him in the field though.