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QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 03:54 PM) ESPN showed a graphic... its like 5 guys Ryan, Randy Johnson, Koufax were among them... pretty good company. Nolan ryan? He is known for never throwing a perfect game despite his seven no-hitters.

QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 03:44 PM) How many pitchers have a no-hitter and a perfect game on their resume?!?!?!! MB!!!! 263 no-hitters have been thrown, 19 perfect games have been thrown, 18 of which have happened since 1900. Only five times in the history has a player thrown both, one other player has been apart of a perfect game and a combined no-hitter. Cy Young, jim bunning, sandy koufax, randy johnson, mike witt was the one apart of a combined no-hitter There are three teams with multiple perfect games thrown. The yankees have had three pitchers throw a perfect game, don larsen, david wells, anddavid cone. The indians have had two pitchers throw a perfect game, addie joss, and len barker. The sox have charlie robertson and now mark buehrle.

QUOTE (RME JICO @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) Add a Perfect Game to his freakin resume. How many of those other pitchers have one of those and a No-hitter? 263 no hitters have been thrown, 19 perfect games have been thrown, 18 of which have happened since 1900. Only five times in the history has a player thrown both, one other player has been apart of a perfect game and a combined no-hitter. Cy Young, jim bunning, addie joss, sandy koufax, randy johnson, and mike witt was the one apart of a combined no-hitter There are three teams with multiple perfect games thrown. The yankees have had three pitchers throw a perfect game, don larsen, david wells, and david cone. The indians have had two pitchers throw a perfect game, addie joss, and len barker. The sox have charlie robertson and now mark buehrle.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 02:55 PM) ...We could use BA right about now. ...

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 09:44 PM) Not at all. Sorry for feeling the way I do; it doesn't mean I "love to hate Ozzie." If you're insinuating that, all I can do is laugh.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 09:39 PM) LOL, what an ironic post. Good stuff. Seriously, I can't think of anyobody on this board that's more adamant about Ozzie's terrible in-game managing than me. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside, no?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 09:27 PM) Oh stop...he should have been pulled when the bases were loaded. After seeing how poorly the fastball was the first few batters, you have to bring in Dotel. No manager pulls their full time closer in that situation. None.

QUOTE (Stocking @ Jul 21, 2009 -> 09:25 PM) f***ing pitch counts http://www.stopthepitchcount.com/

For all of you that think dye is a good fielder... i hope you remember that play.

I love how thebighurt has to constantly insult people to try and get his point across. It's cute.

How was the turn out of the chat last night?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 04:26 PM) It can show the hold rate literally, but doesn't adjust for the types of hits going to RF, what the infielders on the right are letting through and not letting through, ballpark factors... Stats are great, but running on arm events are just too rare to get meaningful statistical data, IMO. You can get some indicators like that, but they are flawed, in my view. Sure it's flawed. The most flawed statistics out there are the common stats everyone follows like a religion, ops, slugging, obp, average, rbi's, wins, losses. The tricky thing is determining where the truth lies. Sabermetricians want to know if what their eyes tell them is true, and the vast majority of the time the eyes do not lie. The fun is finding what exactly is not what it appears be on the surface, which is where they come in, visuals can be deceiving, in all walks of life. Using Gameday to build a fielding metric (Part 1) Using Gameday to build a fielding metric (Part 2) Raw data is better than nothing at all Everything stems from something at one point in time to help benefit later down the road. We are most definitely heading in the right direction with this breakthrough.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 03:18 PM) I know I risk the ire of the stat-heads here, but, I personally don't think that stats can give you a good idea of how good an OF's arm is. There are just so many variables that even create those situations where it comes into play, and so few events in the numerator, that the values just don't mean much. And it doesn't take into account the times when players don't attempt to take the extra base because of who is there. Hold rate sure does.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 20, 2009 -> 02:12 PM) I'm not saying he's a Gold Glove (not that it means anything anymore) RF with a cannon arm, but his arm certainly isn't poor. Just a choice of wording I disagree with. It's still quite above average. Everything suggests otherwise. 2006. 2007. 2008. Outfield arm runs above average. 2002... -3.9 2003... -2.9 2004... -2.4 2005... -1.5 2006... -4.0 2007... -5.7 2008... -3.9 2009... -0.7

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 09:29 PM) '03-'08 is a six year span, not five. Anyway . . . Highest ERA+ between '03 and '08 w/ at least 1000 IP over that span: 1.) 156 - Johan Santana 2.) 143 - Brandon Webb 3.) 140 - Roy Halladay 4.) 136 - Roy Oswalt 5.) 132 - Carlos Zambrano 6.) 128 - CC Sabathia 7.) 125 - Jake Peavy 7.) 125 - Ben Sheets 9.) 124 - Tim Hudson 0.) 119 - Mark Buehrle Josh Beckett is 12th This is more or less what I was talking about: Highest ERA+ from '07 to date (min: 450 IP): 1.) 152 - Dan Haren 2.) 150 - Tim Lincecum 3.) 146 - Johan Santana 4.) 144 - CC Sabathia 4.) 144 - Brandon Webb 6.) 138 - Roy Halladay 7.) 135 - Jake Peavy 8.) 132 - Josh Beckett 9.) 128 - Matt Cain 9.) 128 - Adam Wainwright 11.) 127 - Mark Buehrle 12.) 126 - Felix Hernandez 12.) 126 - Cole Hamels 12.) 126 - John Lackey 12.) 126 - Cliff Lee 16.) 125 - Roy Oswalt Did you get baseball reference's play index?

I like how this thread does not even get pinned.

Cheat is great.

They let anyone in i see.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 11:04 PM) Thome's homer is pretty awesome for me simply because I knew it was coming and then it came. Alright nostradamus.

QUOTE (SHIPPS @ Jul 13, 2009 -> 02:24 PM) While you were doing it yourself I bet you were thinking you would have given him 200 bucks to do that s***. Previously owning a steam cleaner, i would not pay someone even 20 dollars to clean three rooms worth of floors. Really not worth it considering how extremely easy it is.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jul 11, 2009 -> 02:45 PM) GMAFB. Dotel is considered good because he is good. Players go through rough stretches all the time, and I'd like you to name anyone else better than Dotel who we could acquire without giving up the farm. In fact, if you go through the rosters, you're going to find it is VERY difficult just to find set-up men who have been above-average for even 3 straight seasons, much less find set-up men who have compiled careers like Dotel. Most of the relievers who are better than Dotel have been closers, and there have been a lot of closers in Dotel's time that have been a hell of a lot worse. Also, consider that Pena's numbers have been down and he's basically been a righty specialist, yet he still cost the Sox Allen. Consider how long David Aardsma has been given opportunities. Mike f***ing MacDougal was given a closer's job in Washington. Matt Capps, who totally blows, was supposedly the centerpiece in a deal for Hermida. How long did Borowski close? What about the Tigers using Jones? Relievers in baseball are rarely better pitchers than Dotel, and even the halfway decent ones who aren't anywhere as good as Dotel can cost a ton. Capps is a very good reliever, definitely does not blow. If we look at just this year, sure, he sucks.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 11, 2009 -> 11:04 PM) He's a low to mid 700's OPS guy who plays solid, but overrated defense (although I can't speak to what he's done defensively this year, I don't see a lot of Twins games). He may not suck, but he's pretty darn close, and anybody who loses a second of sleep over him being on the Twins is simply worrying too much about things. Crede has been the best defensive third baseman in baseball this season. He has been a plus defender every year of his career, not gold glove caliber like many like to think, but damn good

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 12, 2009 -> 01:21 AM) Ace is slightly smarter than that. Slightly being the key word.

QUOTE (SHIPPS @ Jul 11, 2009 -> 11:55 PM) You think he wouldnt make more money in endorsements in Chicago rather than Toronto? Once i have already made my millions, upon millions, upon millions, etc... i just cannot see much of a difference in 55 million compared to say 60 million over five years (just an example) truly is. You are loaded regardless. Either way, yourself, and generation after generation should be more than well off. Several million should not be the deciding factor in ultimate happiness... family, friends, enviroment, etc. Simply put, if i was already more than set for life, i cannot see myself putting my family and i in a place we truly did not want to be (those years will clearly never come back) just for the sake of having a bigger bank role. You can't take a dime of that money with you when you die, it just seems pointless to me, enjoy life while you can. First time i have posted in an nba related thread in years, hell, this entire forum practically.