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Why do people keep forgetting Lenyn Sosa ? Can't he play SS ? He'd hit more HR's than TA maybe field better too. I mean you can't really get worse production than TA gave the Sox last year. Or Sosa at 2nd base . Just because his initial try's at the bigs weren't instantly successful doesn't mean he's run out of chance. He's still one of the Sox best prospects. OK Sosa isn't in the top 30 prospects list anymore I suppose because he's had around 200 MLB AB's but as far as young players closest to making an impact next season he has to be close to the top of the list among position players. Ramos and Rodriquez got cups of coffee with the Sox but both have barely played at AAA. Montgomery has only had 131 AA and some AFL AB's. They aren't going to rush Montgomery. I'm not even sure he will start the year in AAA. Back to Birmingham seems more likely.

I don't like picking the low hanging fruit here, But you think the baby mama drama and flipping off fans means nothing and apparently by the response in "likes" you got others agree. But it couldn't be farther from the truth. If isolated, those things mean nothing IF he continued to play well. However all the drama, the fight, all coincided with terrible baseball. Tim's whole world has fallen apart and we're supposed to think all the drama didn't affect his play ? Everything has been a disaster with him. I said I'd decline his option a couple of weeks ago. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Let's pay a player falling apart at the seams $14M just to see if he can get a new head, a new body and suddenly there's a happily ever after ? Poor Tim is just misunderstood. You scolded Lipman for being in a Soxtalk world but you're in some fantasy world where TA is somehow marketable and worth $14M. It's preposterous. Like I said when I said to decline his option. Let's see what the rest of baseball is willing to pay him now. You'll get your answer then about how good and marketable he is. I think he'll be lucky to get 2 years $20M. I expect less than that. Feel free to save this for when he signs with someone else.

You'd have to have a whole lot of variables in Eder's career to go right for what you just said to be true. You'd also have to think that neither Eder or Burger would make much of a difference on the Sox roster as currently constructed for a 2024-25 team. But you might be cheering your ass off in 2025 when Eder pitches some meaningless innings as a reliever in 2025 with a 5 ERA for another non playoff team. If we are judging value only based on years of control, then the Sox have just as many valuable guys going forward as every team. Well unless you think quality players also have some value.

Time will tell if it was a bad trade for the Sox but you don't have to trade a Tatis Jr. or Semien to make a trade bad. If Burger ends up staying with the Marlins for a while and stays relatively healthy and produces at a 1 t0 3.5 WAR clip for a few years while Eder languishes in the minors and is eventually an MLB reliever, those 1st 2 to 3 years after the trade will be lopsided in the Marlins favor. If Eder is an eventual MLB reliever he won't ever catch up to the WAR production that Burger will produce with the Marlins. 30-35 HR's comes in awful handy. The Phillies got pretty far with a lineup full of guys who can hit the long ball the last 2 years. I don't know if saying Eder is close to being ready as an MLB starting pitcher should be considered "staying on top of things". It's more like blowing smoke up our asses.

I wouldn't say everyone. Plenty on this board were thrilled with the trade and convinced Burger was who they thought he was which was a terrible fielder, injury prone, low average, low OBP guy. It was like all the time he had missed meant nothing and he had no chance to improve and his transition into the major leagues didnt need to take extra time because of the time missed. It was just all so simple to project him as a future failure. I'm not convinced Eder is condemned to a life as he is who we think he is either but he's behind the 8 ball just as much as Burger was only he's just getting started on his journey to be an effective big league pitcher and Burger was already showing big signs that he was ready to blossom into a quality MLB hitter.

.806 is his OPS not slugging but I'm sure his slugging was pretty good also. Plus I don't think you can say the Marlins were the ones who improved his hitting with 100% accuracy. Part of my arguments about the trade was that Burger takes the responsibility for his own career. Also his hard hit rate was among the best in baseball . The fact that he was hitting in the low 200's didn't mesh with his hard hit rate. Usually the harder you hit the ball the better you BABIP is. His showing as a hitter in Miami might have been some percent of changes he was already working on or things the Marlins told him and worked with him on. But with the Marlins he was good from the get go. That would make the Marlins coaches some kind of miracles workers to suggest something that Jake decided to use and to have to work right away. That's not usually how things work.

The whole Bagent thing has really got me watching a lot of podcasts now on youtube. This is the best one yet. I had heard him speak a few times before but this one impressed me the most. He's smart and self motivated, never gets ahead of himself , works on the task at hand. Very impressive. Everything you would want in a young athlete or a person for that matter.

Re your last sentence, I tend to think that's true with JR still in charger. However. I'm going to wait to see what the 1st major player acquisition/decision the Sox make under Getz. He should know the 1st thing he does will set a tone . If it has anything to do with Perez or Merrifield then Getz will be perceived as just as incompetent as the departing bone heads. That would be truly a kick in the nuts. He's already sitting in that boat since he didn't fire Grifol. I don't believe JR when he talked about Getz having autonomy. It's laughable actually, but Grifol had to go and the fact that he isn't has Getz in our crosshairs. Astound me Getz. Do something besides waste money on declining vets. Stick to that getting younger and more athletic statement. My body of work posting has wanted that for the last few off seasons and my track record of picking young players outside the organization has been pretty good.

Ok a quick check of Google found this from a week ago. https://www.si.com/fannation/mlb/fastball/news/mlb-commissioners-office-declares-7-cuban-players-as-international-free-agents The MLB Commissioner's Office has declared seven Cuban players as international free agents, Francys Romero reported Tuesday. Right-handed pitcher Marlon Vega, right-handed pitcher Edelvis Pérez, outfielder Jordan Sánchez, right-handed pitcher Emmanuel Chapman, outfielder Roislandi Bell, outfielder Yoandri Guibert and right-handed pitcher Kevin Mejía are the players who will try to sign with MLB clubs this offseason.

Anyone following up on Marlon Vega ? Seems very talented, Cuban, same agent as Chapelli and he kind of looks like Tiger Woods in that picture.

Yea Istill dont understand why they took Thompson in the trade rather than some flyer on a guy in the DSL. I'm not sure they non tender him if they got him to be a viable 4th OF . But that was under the Hahn regime so perhaps he will be non tendered under Getz.

Still plenty of time for the Bears to blow it.

Some pretty poor tackling on Howell there but they stopped him short of the 1st.

We all remember the Colas and Romy Gonzalez sessions all summer with Mike Tosar. That did not turn out well. https://theathletic.com/4254269/2023/02/27/white-sox-oscar-colas-romy-gonzalez/ Colas was just downright terrible hitting and fielding. He was either incredibly over rated for his 1 year in the minors, which frankly was pretty impressive, but woefully under prepared to face MLB pitching.

I Buy out TA. If he can get $14M or a 3 year contract @$45M+ let him try. Forget about Merrifield and put in Lenyn Sosa either at SS or 2B that saves you a lot, as would trading away Eloy . If Soler doesn't resign with Marlins , sign him for some power at DH. Try your hand at some other LH hitters if anyone bites on Eloy. If you sign 1 big position player make it Bellinger. He should be an interesting follow this off season. Michael A .Taylor isn't a bad option although his OBP sucks. Nice speed and defense, decent pop. I'm not even going to try on SP and RP accept to say if you open up some payroll space and dependent on how much JR decides he's going to spend you could sign one of the better starting pitches in some fantasy scenario that involves signing with an organization like the White Sox. I still have to laugh looking at Andrew Benintendi. Hell Duvall although older would have given you more than Benintendi had you just offered him 2 years. He can't stay healthy but when he's on the field he produces. He's available again .

No need for me to defend myself because you are right. However I guess it's all how you interpret what I meant by signs of life. Sometimes they looked good , sometimes bad. I think a 5 ERA would indicate that. Giolito looked just as bad if not worse after he was traded. Basically after they traded all the pitching I didnt expect much but those guys still might be in consideration for next year be it MLB or minor league contracts since the starting pitching depth is abysmal and I can't imagine them signing an above average FA starting pitcher. I'm guessing Touki will be back since he's eligible for arbitration.

There were also signs of life from Toussaint and Urena. Urena got hosed by a stupid Grilfol decision in one game where he didnt give up a run for 6 innings then Grifol left him in to get beat up and the relief pitching completed the final line of 6 earned runs in 6.1 innings. However Urena is 32 and never was very good but maybe long or short relief next year . His control isn't that good either.

I think a poll is useless. In a specific case like Clevinger or Bauer even true baseball fans do not know the full stories and even accounts of the full story can be grossly inaccurate. Hell I'm reading this thread and have found myself thinking. Hmm I must be way behind on the Bauer stuff. Sometimes ignorance is bliss and making your female fans even more aware of Clevinger while you are still employing him isn't exactly great PR. Hey fans we are employing a guy who you might consider an asshole or worse and we were wondering if you are not attending any games because of this ? Feel free to read whatever you want to form your opinion or just take our word for it that we continue to employ him because MLB decided not to discipline him. Please also feel free to determine if you didnt attend any games due to Tim Anderson or Daryl Boston and any other person employed by the White Sox who may not live up to your standards of conduct .

I kind of like it. However if they are going to go with this kind of playoff format then shorten the season. There's no reason to be playing baseball in late Oct or Nov. These greedy SOB owners are killing the players and especially pitchers arms. I know players are very well compensated but figure that s%*# out . Of course the players union also has no desire to shorten the season either.

How bout that Evan Carter for the Rangers ! 2020 2nd round pick , #50 overall . Had a great 2 games against the Jays and played a very nice LF . Barely 21 years old he went 3 for 4 with two doubles, one homer, three walks, one strikeout, and one hit by pitch in the two-game Wild Card Series. Only two players have reached base more times than Carter through their first two postseason games: Hall of Famers Frank Thomas and Edgar Martinez. Josh Jung was no slouch either. 8th pick in the 2019 draft. He may have won ROY if not for missing 6 weeks with a fractured thumb. Jung 25 after going 0-4 in the 1st game , he went 3 for 4 with 2 doubles and a triple. The big game made Jung the fourth Ranger to register three extra-base hits in a playoff game, and only the sixth rookie in MLB history to do so. Jung bats 8th , Carter 9th.

It's in some people's nature to let their fandom make them think they know more than others and make absolute statements as a show of confidence that their opinions will prevail. The Sox will not loss 90 ! The Sox will not lose 100 ! I think I made 1 comment in this thread and avoiding talking about how many losses the Sox would have. I predicted the collapse of the rebuild a long time ago. I wish I could find the post. But it may have been 3 years or more ago. I knew the clowns in charge couldn't pull it off once Covid happened, then labor unrest , injuries and bad draft choices. Not a single draft choice taken during the rebuild years or international signee helped the Sox except Robert and this in the 100 loss season was his best year. The other years he was injured most of the time or struggling to find his way.

Starting pitching always. If you find gems there they can outperform their contracts by a wider margin the way Rodon did when the Sox signed him for $3M. You scoop up guys like Toussaint and Urena both of whom haven't look terrible and build depth and if they continue to be inconsistent well maybe now you have a BP arm.

Like I said the BUMpen

Bummer try getting ahead in the count

Great Yoan HR gives Urena the chance at a win . Don't let him start the 7th and let the BUMpen get the loss