nitetrain8601

What I'm saying is this: If the Bears scored 45 points and loss, people would still be calling for Nagy's head after today's loss. Today is not on Nagy. Today is on Pagano. Call out what the actual problems are. Pagano, is a problem.

Carrying the water? I'm not even a Bears fan. And I do think Nagy has flaws. I do not think he should stay in Chicago. I also am smart enough to realize that Pagano has turned driven a Maserati like a Hyundai and Page does not know how to build a team. Those are two much bigger issues. I also know when to give credit. Nagy and the offensive staff had a good gameplan. Nagy and the offense do not deserve to get fired like many Bears fans are asking for, for today's loss. That's on Pagano.

Typically Chicago sports fan. "Nagy is my scapegoat and until he's gone, I don't care what anyone else does." Bears ran the shit out of the ball today. They moved Mitch out of the pocket. They did everything right on offense. Defense is why they lost the game. And yet, everyone continues to ignore the defense.

Amazing how Bear fans won't give credit for the offensive gameplan, which worked well and continue to ignore how shit of a coach Pagano is.

While true, disguising is a talent as a playcaller. But tonight, Pagano was rushing 3 guys.

I don't know, it's just something I see. Pagano runs a scheme (and has done this since he got to Chicago) as if he doesn't have much defensive talent and safeguards against the homerun plays. He's driving a Maserati as if he's in a Hyundai.

As a non-Bears fan, Mack isn't the problem. It's the schemes. If the Bears had an offense that was even league average, Pagano would rightfully be getting ripped. He sucked as a head coach and I'm afraid he was better at that than he is as a DC. Packers don't deal with the blitz well, so what does Pagano do? Run a bend, don't break defense which is what you do if you have bad defense, not an elite one (before he took over).

Vaughn is not a prospect you extend early. That's asking for a Sean Kingery situation. Vaughn is also not someone who you say "Oh, we can't block him". He's a good prospect, that's it at this point. With that stated, Joc in RF and SP is the way to go for me. I think it will give you the largest ROI for next season.

Why? Pagano is trash. And why are we blaming Nagy this week? This team has a talent deficit. I don't care if they were running the I-Form all game long, they would still lose. They don't have players on the offensive side of the ball. It begins with the line and it has been ignored or mis evaluated since Cutler was yelling at his OLineman. Gotta stop the Chicago mentality of trying to find a scapegoat. Pace has been terrible with asset management. That is at the top of the list for a GM.

You need someone to catch Giolito. Coop gone, McCann gone. That's going to be tough. I do think you should have a good backup. McCann was as solid as they came.

Joc or Yasiel on a 1 year deal please.

No. As someone who follows the Dodgers religiously, Roberts is the absolute wrong guy to bring in. He's awful and I was pissed they gave him an extension when they did. He cost them the World Series against the Red Sox by sitting his best bats in favor of analytics. The man would've sat Trout if he hit righties at a .290 clip as opposed to a .291 clip against lefties. He's awful. He doesn't deserve to manage. Bench coach at best. And that's stretching it.

I do think Hinch is a little overrated. Not because of the cheating, but he didn't move the needle in Arizona at all. Also, the more I think of it, I'm surprised there wasn't a bigger penalty to Houston. I just remembered their FO was caught hacking into the Cardinals' system a few years back as well. To me I would've given them a 3 year postseason ban, take some picks.

Look at the threads around here now. Hinch hasn't been away long enough for people to forget, nor does he have anyone vouching for him. His players really F'ed him over tbh. And it doesn't help that many Astros players seemingly had a down year.

Because if he sucks with Detroit (which he will), that's it. He's done for. People will think he's a shitty manager without the cheating, whether right or wrong. Hinch is only going to get one chance at this in terms of rebuilding his reputation. It honestly would be really smart of him to latch onto a HoF manager to give him back some credibility.

I'd honestly be fine with LaRussa. I don't think people give him enough credit for his analytics, but he was one of those guys who was super deep into pitching changes. He'd waste several pitchers on one batter in the inning. I think they'll pair him with Hinch being his understudy to be honest. That'll be to help give Hinch some credibility back, then let him fully take over.

I don't think Springer is that great. Those stars all had some down years seemingly. At least my fantasy team says so. I had both Altuve and Springer.

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/mlb-mike-scoscia-jerry-dipoto-los-angeles-angels-resignation/ Here is one article on it

I don't think you know enough about Scioscia then. There was a really good article about how he and the previous GM (then Seattle's GM) had a power struggle because he refused to look at analytics. He would get them and literally throw them out. The article goes into detail about how he cost his team a playoff run because of it.

I agree. Hell, I think Kopech would be pretty high too. I think you would maybe put Vaughn in, if that. None of the prospects given up were Top 5 in the Padres system. But Clevinger also isn't thatttt great.

From reports on MLBTradeRumors, there were teammates that were so pissed at Clevinger and Plesac that they were going to opt out of the season if they both were brought back. So it seems like the whole organization was pissed at them. With that stated, they both are studs. Cleveland knows how to develop pitching. For the Padres, one point that was brought up is they changed out both of their catchers including the best framer in the majors. This doesn't bode well for their SP if you ask me. I wonder if Castro is the primary catcher.

Padres are going all in. Cleve is not a bad move. Ty France had no position in the trade to Seattle, so it's not bad. WOW.

I'm in agreement. I don't want to trade either, but for someone like Clevinger, I would live with trading Dunning (since I think he's further away). If I traded both, it would have to be for a DeGrom type pitcher.

This is interesting as he has a son that is half black. Like, he of all people should be aware enough and protective of his child.

Honestly seems like the perfect type of deal as he's cheap this year and hopefully there would be some fans in the stadium for next year to help pay his salary. With that stated, as much as I despise Nomar (I hated the move the moment it was made), I think getting at least one other SP here is the biggest issue. Without one, they're going to burn out their bullpen. Once they get a SP, there are options (maybe not as good as Marte) like Joc Pederson, kicking the tires on Puig, etc.