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And that's been my point. No point in changing the offense considering he can't see guys who are wide open. And change up the offense to help him further develop? How does that help develop him when you're going back to the only thing he knows how to do well. Bears aren't going to win with JF as their starting QB. Coaching has recognized that. Fans should too instead of trying to force the coaching into winning 7 meangingless games this year and missing out on a top QB prospect.

Surround yourself with people smarter than you. It's a good first FO move for Getz. Don't mean nothing until they do something, however.

It's not just Nagy. It's Getsy, it's Martz as well who turned Joey Harrington into a productive player. Everyone rather find the flaw in the coaching and OC instead of the player when it's evident, the one thing they all have in common is the player.

But why? If that way is not going to win you a Super Bowl or even get you into the playoffs, and he's not your guy because he can't play your offense, why would you do that? Also, one of the biggest issues is that Fields cannot throw to the middle of the field. He's unable to read whether a guy is open or not. Heck DJ waved his hands a few times on Sunday when wide open and JF still couldn't see him open. Albert Breer I believe on ESPN Radio this morning was saying, your best hope without sacrificing the offense is to run more play action and speed up the offense overall. That's when JF was at his best in college. He struggled at OSU too his final year there up until the final few weeks of the season when the coaching did that.

No, they traded the #1 pick because 1. They knew they didn't know what they had in Fields or the offense due to lack of pieces around him 2. The QB crop was considered weak with heavily flawed prospects 3. They were able to obtain not only quality assets, but multiply those assets from one 4. This year's QB class is considered really strong with 2 guys who would go #1 in any draft who play the QB position Offense changes when you have to bring the backup QB in, only if that team has contender aspirations. The Bears are not a contender. Heck, before JF showed us what he had this year, the Bears were considered a fringe playoff team at best. There's no reason to change the offense which means changing schemes, changing development work for the rest of the offense because a guy cannot process the field. And yes, offenses change when new coordinators come in. Why? Because the new coordinator knows how to run their offense, not something else. Getsy is not a new coordinator, he's trying to implement his philosophies. Just last year, he was getting praise and being talked up as a potential HC candidate down the line. Now, because Justin struggles, it's because Getsy suddenly forgot what offense is? That's ridiculous. Martz, Getsy, Nagy, whether you like them or not, are professional OCs who all know that you have to be able to pass the ball in the NFL to win. Getsy and Nagy have struggled to get JF to read a field or throw with any anticipation. What's nuts is wanting to change an offense for the 6th time in 10 years and blaming the OC as if the players to run the offense are enough. That's asinine to me. Can't wait for next week's game asking the Bears to play "Bear football" and run the ball 100 times, then complain two weeks later when teams see it coming and they can't get more than 100 yards of total offense.

Again, why would you change the whole offense for a guy you don't believe is the guy. It's not like Fields is even releasing the ball when guys are wide open. If Fields isn't the guy, I'm sorry, you don't change the offense for him. Because you lose a year of development for the guys around him trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. And if you win a few meaningless games, you screw yourself in terms of draft pick and may end up on the outside looking in for your new QB. It would be incredibly stupid to change the offense.

I'm not a huge Eberflus guy, but you can't tell if he's bad yet. They gutted his roster year 1. And when his defense was competent, they traded everything including the flooboards to it. Claypool - yea, that's bad Sticking with Fields - Absolutely not bad. You had to see if he would take the next step. If he turned good, you would be getting the axe from all sides about trading a young QB like that. You also had no one to replace him with. Lastly, last year's draft class, was average, at best. You just had a lot of teams needing QBs. This year's class, is much better. Caleb Williams is the cream of it, but Drake Maye wouldn't be bad either. I also believe it's based on record, and right now, it's looking like Carolina and the Bears will struggle to win. Passing on Jalen - nothing TBD. They didn't and still don't have the locker room. Hell, they're struggling with Chase Claypool out of all people. You think that's the environment to bring Jalen Carter into? The only other bad mark, but it's a big one, is the spending of cap space/FA. Poles tried to sign a guy to a big deal who wouldn't pass a physical. He reached on Tremaine Edmunds. His secondary that he drafted is pretty decent, but they have no pressure. They gutted the defense and are a lot worse. And I don't see reinforcements coming through.

Here's the thing: If you don't believe Fields is your answer at that position, it makes no sense to change the offense unless you believe you have a Super Bowl Contender that is relying on the QB being good. The Bears, by most experts' opinions, would be lucky to make the playoffs this year pre-season. Most expected Justin to take that step, however. He hasn't. If you change an offense, you also have to understand, you're changing how your lineman protect, you're changing routes and schemes for the receivers as well as your backs. You are literally changing everything for one guy who you don't believe to be your future. In addition, if you did believe the guy is your future, at some point, he has to show development. He's actually gone backwards. The scheme is drawing guys open, but the biggest thing Justin is missing, is anticipation and perception. When a DB is on his receiver's back waist, but there's no one over the top, that guy is open, especially if you lead the ball past the receiver a bit. Justin has no ability to decipher that though. There were many more passes yesterday, that he held onto. When the All-22 comes out, you'll see he missed as many, if not more throws this week down the field. Even the commentators were making fun out of him when he would actually attempt a pass past 10 yards. His drop backs are really really slow right now. He's running into defenders and pressure. He lost much of the pocket presence he had last year. And the maddening thing, which is why I think people are blaming the coaches, is that you see the TD throw he had to Claypool yesterday where he threw it in a window and you think "he has the ability, it has to be the coaches coaching him up". So far, you have three really bright and respected offensive minds (Martz, Nagy and Getsy) all of whom have issues with Justin. At some point, it's not the coaching, it's the players. LeSean McCoy called it out today. He has more talent on his side of the ball including a legit #1, but he's just not slinging the ball. He's unsure. He wants guys to be open like he was at OSU. And if they're not, he's just checked it down. And it sucks, because JF is a good guy and you want him to succeed, but he can't. The only thing I'll say is Getsy should design more slant routes, but who's to tell whether Justin will throw it if it's in, what he perceives, to be coverage.

To me, the most sense, to mitigate spending dollars, is using up land near the United Center. He can make it the City's largest entertainment district and get the most money on return with parking garage revenue alone. I, personally, would love Soldier Field in the summer, especially if the stadium would face towards the lake, but getting there would be tough if the Sox were to be any good. I just don't think Jerry has the desire unless it's a sweetheart deal and the closest to that is going to be by the UC.

Bulls fans, who was worse? Grifol or Jim "If you build it, they will come" Boylen

As you all feel, today is the nail in the coffin. Getz is promoted. A guy who probably wouldn't register on the top 150 list of potential GMs for any other team. With that stated, what options do Sox fans have? Do we organize rallys outside of MLB offices asking for someone in the league office to look into the hirings of the old boys club over someone that's actually qualified? Do we buy billboards around the cell like Bulls fans did a few years ago with the Bulls?

Getz pulled a coup. Jesse Rogers speculating what others have, he had Jerry's ears this season.

This makes me miss Joe Cowley who would blast off on the hiring process and this organization. Is there anything White Sox fans can do to get JR investigated for this promotion and lack of process? Maybe spam tweet MLB, commish's office, etc.? Never been so disappointed in a team before

Disagree on the Bulls being worse off than they were with GarPax. GarPax had no one who wanted to come to Chicago, fired a coach over power, and had no prospects. Citing Lauri after he made two more stops is hindsight or Wendell Carter on another bad team. Bulls most definitely are better off for changing their FO. Demar is a legit player and helped legitimize. With that stated, Paxson quit, he wasn't fired. He flat out told the Reinsdorfs, he wasn't the man to do the job anymore and he helped look at other organizations and was heavily involved in the hiring process. Bulls stench was so bad they couldn't get frontrunners to interview, such as Miami's 2nd in command. Also, at that point, Michael had taken over the day to day for the Bulls as chairman. Many thought he wouldn't ever fire Gar because their wives are best friends.

Disagreed. He only had a 2 minute segment on it, but he goes through TLR and not adding top tier FA talent. He's clearly talking about being able to add a Harper or Machado, then failing to do so. I mean, if you want a catch all in terms of why the rebuild failed, he could tell you too. Not sure why you're going at Passan who is as fair as they come.

The 78 which is the area north of Ping Tom Park

Basically, no matter how you spin it, this might be the worst contract in Sox history. The sad part is, Beni would be the focus of a lot of negative if he was on almost any other organization. Our team, however, is so rotten, as long as Beni doesn't get himself in trouble, no one is going to blink an eye.

Bingo. Never liked the signing, considering Beni never had any deal on that table. He's a 7-8-9 hitter at best.

Shirley and Paddy need to go too. It's rotten to the core. But as someone else stated, until they spend money on something, they're not going anywhere. If you suck at Scouting, Development, International Signings, then you need to pony up the money for FAs to cover that gap. If you suck at FA because you're too cheap, or your team misevaluates players, or you have a GM who loves to spend the dough on a bullpen, then you better have a strong Scouting, Development and International presence. The Sox do neither. And that's why the entire thing is rotten. It's caught up to them. Add to the fact that they hired Pedro Grifol who clearly knows nothing about what he's doing (he's worse than Trestman was for the Bears) from a losing organization who they tried to upsell to the fanbase when that losing organization would rather not hire him, and you have a team in shambles. Is help on the way? Nope. Getz and KW Jr have done nothing in the minors. Our analytics department is a step away from non-existent. And we have a FO who they allowed to lead the draft and trade deadline when they're more concerned with keeping their job everyday. They need a Theo, but they would never commit the money that Theo commands, not just for the ballclub, but to have an actual infrastructure put in place. Sox thought they were hiring Theo-lite when they promoted Hahn. Another failure.

I disagree. There are other accessible places such as The 78 in South Loop which would be more central if anything.

I don't think you can say they've hit on anything outside of Robert. Crochet is in incomplete at best. And availability is an ability. Montgomery and Schultz have shown nothing in the majors. If Montgomery is as good as TA, you lucked out. But you absolutely don't know what you have minus a prospect, certainly nothing to say "Sox hit"

The problem is, they simply lack the infrastructure to do what they need to do. The personnel up top simply is out of touch with baseball, but more importantly, with their own team. Their scouting is looking at your favorite ranking system and going after them. I don't know if they actually do any scouting. Even those they're taking fliers on, are just former 1st rounders who were failures. They simply don't invest in Latin America other than trying to sign the next Cuban connection. Anytime they have to develop one of those players, they bust. Draft wise, they've simply missed. Madrigal looks good, but not godly like some predicted. Tough thing is, maybe their amateur "scouting" is good, but their player development is that poor. You can't tell with this team because they seem to suck as everything other than making the fanbase upset. They wanted to retool, but didn't get the pieces necessary to successfully compete next year unless they spend the money. They're not going to spend the money. Don't tell them they need bullpen help, because Hahn will give away whatever budget he has to that position. It's stupid to spend money on a bullpen since it's volatile from year to year. Even an elite closer is usually only elite for 3 years. They need a starting 2B, 3B, RF, C and at least two SP if you think Kopech can hold up. My guess is, they're going to try to resign Clevinger. They need locker room leaders and need to be accepting of that. Seems like the only good position players are the ones that the team isn't spending time on developing or those who have tuned out Sox coaching. Grifol couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag. But they're going to bank on the division being poor. Hahn is going to say they knew they would be taking a step back as if he never said they expect to compete next year, reminiscent of Gar Forman with the Bulls saying they fired Thibs for underachieving with what they thought was a championship team, then the next year saying he didn't say that when Hoiberg was trash. The whole organization is rotten to the core. The only entertainment value you have is Luis Robert, Dylan Cease once every 5 days and to watch the other team in 2024.

Yep, could've had your middle INF as Tatis Jr and Semien who is quietly the most underrated 2B in probably the history of the game. Don't get me wrong, TA is okay, but the Sock have been cheap for awhile, and pretty dumb to add to it.

Awful deal the moment it was announced. Hahn bid against himself, similar to Ryan Pace when he did that draft day deal. No one was going to give Benintendi that. The team had so many glaring holes too and he blew it all in one spot for someone you could've paid league minimum to do the same job for. If you liked the deal, it's only because you liked the name. Don't get me wrong, Andrew could be a serviceable player, but you don't give the richest contract in your team's history to a serviceable player when they already count enough pennies as it is.

But nothing for the manager or FO who put the team together? That's where you have to start