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Sure everyone is scared of Rienzo axelrodding himself, but I think he's enough of a middling prospect where you dont mind throwing him out there and risking some development for some unexpected success

Understood. And I fully agree. I think that things that leave a bad taste in certain GMs mouths are the kinds of things that Billy Beane exploited and then they began writing books about his ability to do these things. Couple mil for a 800 OPS kind of guy is absolutely something i would swoop in and grab (obviously though it would remain to be seen if Dunn would even want to do it) I would get all past issues i have out of the way. would consult a team of psychologists to soothe me and get me all fixed up, and then sign Dunn.

Here's where some people are not being .........logically consistent. A major gripe people had with Ozzie is that he chose Kotsay over a $3M Jim Thome, who was going to be a bat-only 39 year old. His 2009 season in total was an .847 OPS Adam Dunn right now is 34, and if you look at this season and the past two, he has a .790 OPS. So if you wanted to sign a 39 year old Thome for 1 yr/3M, then how does that modest amount of OPS difference translate to not wanting to keep Dunn for 1.5M, or as one poster put it "wouldnt give him cabfare to the airport" Aside from perfectly rational comments like "not a fit on this team" or "wouldnt want a thome type right now to begin with".........the only reason I can think of for these inconsistencies is obssessive irrational fandom, and the use of sports as an anger depot.

I dont really understand the mentality of 'needs to sit a game' What makes this day of rest any kind of automatic positive? Isn't it entirely plausible that this day, vs a lefty, was the day he was going to have three hits? I can handle a RH star's day off against some lefty but the pure 'day of rest' is weird to me. mental exhaustion? Abreu is sitting today due to Baseball-y Convention.

I had a kid basically so i can have an excuse to run him out there. So..this is disappointing. Once i worked the field as an usher for one of those. Ray Durham ran his kid around the bases.

My whole thing with post-2011 Dunn is this. He takes the shape of whatever team he's on. We got good Dunn in 2012 because there was some semblance of a lineup around him. If there is no reason to give Dunn hittable pitching...if Dunn is coming up to empty bases every time and has no one behind of him of any worth... then he has no ability to do his pitch-taking-then-kill-you approach. No one wants to hear that you throw out '13. But honestly in baseball once a team goes bad early.... you basically have guys just taking their cuts and making offseason plans. Dunn on a team in contention is what I want to see, and i dont expect early career Dunn....but I do expect better at-bats as a result of better offense around him. Just like i didnt go overboard on hate with Greg Walker, i dont credit Steverson for what's going on right now with Dunn. This is the usual Adam, but just with new circumstances. He can make a pitcher sweat some now, and force that pitcher's hand...which was not the case last year. Last year we were ready to close up shop and get home (as a team).

QUOTE (raBBit @ Apr 16, 2014 -> 11:44 AM) Literally. Come out of your cave the Ultimate Champion. Another possibility though is that the Ultimate Champion was actually the Ultimate Warrior.

Dunn's current production? He's playing himself into what will be roughly a 4 year..mmm...56M deal. Roughly

QUOTE (PorkChopExpress @ Apr 15, 2014 -> 04:20 PM) So I see that the Blue Jays lost Maicer Izturis for 4-6 months due a torn LCL in his left knee that will require surgery to repair. I think there were rumors of a Beckham to Tornto trade during the offseason. You guys think that might come to fruition soon? Or potentially sending them Keppinger? Or even Leury Garcia or Semien? With Carlos Sanchez (albeit not as touted as he once was) and Micah Johnson in the minors, it appears that the Sox actually have depth at 2B, and not just with fillers. Based on Toronto's need, we should be a perfect fit for a trade. Blue Jays only trade for Keppinger if Gord Ash is back

While I like many want Semien to explode and take this thing by horns, I have to agree that there is no downside to doing whatever they do with Semien. AAA or MLB, he can go either way. The argument of "this is not world series year for the White Sox so you can..." works both ways. You can see it as a risk free scenario where you give Semien a shot to lock down a role, or you can see it as a risk free scenario where you build Beckham's value. Now, if what-2014-is changes here in the next month...that would be interesting of course. The year started out as one where you give PK a roster spot and give Nieto a spot because there was no immediate downside and some positive, longer-term organizational health from doing those things. i.e. PK inspiring the youth and Nieto staying Sox property years onward But if the type of year this is changes, then suddenly those things become potential problems. And the reliability of Gordon's defense I suppose can become something the Sox actually want out there ASAP if games start really mattering, and if our offense keeps being solid. Semien may be faster but I think defensively most here would admit Gordon is the guy.

If NBA has moved onto oncourt dancing, MLB can move on to walk-off celebrations being perfectly ok. Times change. Even baseball changes. The unwritten rules that applied in 1890 have stuck with the game a long time. But now an un-eraser is going to unerase those unwritten rules.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 13, 2014 -> 06:49 PM) It's not that I don't like Peavy, but I never thought of him as a true Sox player. Same as Rios. Just something not there for me. The guys who are on the White Sox team are true White Sox players.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 11, 2014 -> 10:44 AM) Just like the Bonds vs. Ortiz debate. Nice guys get treated better. A pain the the rear is treated like a pain in the rear. It's the Dave Kingman treatment. I've never gotten why Frank is seen as a destructive personality. Yes he has said some things he'd like back. These are jocks. We watch games where the absolute best jocks are all thrown together. They are going to say dumb things, as it is what jocks do. If we want a collection of the best mannered getting awards for good manners..i dont know where i turn instead. Westminister Dog Show on USA? With some MLB guys, it's a sickness (Milton B., Belle) but Frank is so far from that category that i worry 0 about this and always have left it to others to prattle on about it.

QUOTE (Capn12 @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 07:38 PM) OK, I missed the lineups. Does it matter? Like one is an All Star back there, and the other isn't. They both are below average. It's just funny that you'd go to the trouble to call someone out and not know who it was

It isnt about '14 so you cringe at him losing development time, but not tons more than that. He's under control.

Buehrle implies Maddux has cheated his whole career and this board probably stands up in applause. Frank says this, an offhanded comment, and here it's "whoops he's getting out of line again" DBL STANDARD

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 08:50 AM) I cannot handle a legit, like, season-ending injury to Avi Garcia. Hey God, you took my Rose, you took my Kaner, you took my Toews, you took my Peanut. Do not take my Avi. Heh, well those seasons and those players are a bit higher stakes. As long as Avi is 100% eventually, thats fine. it surely wont be after our team is really good again.

Frank has every right to have a ton of pride in himself. And to feel a chip on his shoulder from being robbed of a few things. That ego getting out of hand from time to time is him being human, nothing more than that.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 7, 2014 -> 04:40 PM) This was always my comment on Peavy. His follow through always reminded me of dodgeball

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 6, 2014 -> 11:09 PM) All I've heard from inside is how different this team is. Last yea they supposedly checked out at one point. Eaton apparently wore on the vets on his old team, here he is one of the biggest leaders. That's good for us. Hawk has alluded a few times to guys' temperament...De Aza being jovial, not serious jokester. Alludes to Alexei being kind of a lazy/not intense on every play guy. Do you think these sorts of things are accurate, and/or a problem? Or is it more like...guys like this will kind of take the shape of the club -- so if things are bad they get less intense, but when things are going good, they focus better?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 3, 2014 -> 10:14 AM) Back up catchers get plenty of time, especially since the Sox don't have a workhorse behind the plate. If Flowers leash was 2 bad games, they shouldn't have given him one to begin with because everyone on the team will have 2 bad games in a row this year, several times. Nieto will play, but I think people will realize he probably is in over his head fairly quickly. The fact is, if Nieto didn't have to be returned if the Sox wanted to send him to the minors, he wouldn't be here. You may be right on that last point, but also keep in mind that he's here to fill a role this organization lacks. We dont have LH hitting catchers and he's going to be here, doing that, on the days that is called for. Sure, it wont be a straight platoon but it still will be a role he's filling once a week. What catcher OPSes does he have to be an improvement on from last year? .600 for Flowers, .500 for Phegley. Not tall timber.

I was defending ADA most the offseason and all it took was one game to make everyone do a complete 180 on him. He went from most brainless player of all time to suddenly The Guy for that decision-making-heavy role of #2 hitter. Despite being an ADA supporter i dont see him as a fit for the #2hitter. He's perfect for lower in the order, LF. Great teams still need that 2 WAR no frills guy and he could be that....if we can...be great soon enough.

Semien doing this and handling this ASAP solves so many issues. You want to give him a chance to get this done as he has room to grow. The best case scenarios of this impact BOTH this year and future years, because he is under our control for a long while. There are just absolutely no downsides to sticking with Semien. If he struggles for a whole year, you learned about what you need going into next year. If he takes off and succeeds and gets comfortable, then you just helped your contention chances in the present as well. I literally just cannot see the downside of looking for anyone else to do this.

QUOTE (BaconOnAStick @ Apr 2, 2014 -> 04:42 PM) Alexei in the 2 hole, now. I really want Semien to be given the opportunity to work through his butterflies and get a chance there. Even after Beckham is healthy. Semien profiles to be a guy who handles that spot, whereas we should already know exactly what Alexei is, as he's not young and we've seen him for awhile. Please no knee jerk reactions to a couple positive recent outcomes. We need to be smarter than that, and we need to develop young talent. That's what this year is about.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Apr 2, 2014 -> 09:13 AM) Thank god it's no longer April 1st. I don't have to ignore thread titles like "Avisal Garcia 's dog bites sluggers penis. Threatens a young career - retirement possible" GO SOX! Might teachim some plate patience