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QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 11:25 AM) Their SS list had Jeter at 3. After I saw that a couple weeks ago I stopped caring about anything else they said in this series. That's the one that screams bias. I'm sure everyone else had the same reaction, but that name and rank just jumped off of the page.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 08:22 AM) No offense to PK14...but TCQ had one hell of a bat flip. In recent White Sox history, nobody had a better bat flip than Tadahito Iguchi.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 03:06 AM) No f***ing contest, my friend. Keep in mind Konerko was hit in the head by a pitch earlier in the game, I just assume he hit the 2nd while suffering from a severe concussion. (the 2nd was off Borowski) That homer comes up every year, and every year I remember the best avatar in Soxtalk history. It's of that homer/pose with a subtitle saying "Konerkowned".

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 11:21 AM) You think these lists are biased? Well, it's really bad. They're either biased or just not good at making lists.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 09:50 AM) And I apologize if sharing my viewpoints come off as preachy to everyone. That is not my intention. I have not demanded that any one of you change anything in your lifestyle. For the record, I wasn't referring to you when I mentioned the preachy vegetarians and vegans. You're decidedly unpreachy when it comes to your diet. You do mention it enough , but you don't talk down to non-vegans or act like you're better than anyone because you're a vegan. I know I give you s*** on occasion because of it, but I'm pretty sure you know that we're all just having fun with it. I apologize if that wasn't evident. Oh, but I did spit in your pita thingy you had at the bar that one day. Sorry!

I thought MLB Network was supposed to be this unbiased network that was head and shoulders above ESPN? There are also no catchers listed.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 05:40 AM) I wouldn't want them to deal him. In the short term, it may hurt them. Yet the young talent they could get in return could stock them for the next 5 years at a few key spots, would probably be better for the Twins in the long term. Kind of like the Tigers Granderson deal for Austin Jackson. It seemed like a sell off. Yet it helped them get younger and better. If the White Sox have this window of a couple of years to win it all again, I definitely want the Twins to trade Liriano immediately. They would likely only reap the benefits by the time our window has closed, and it would greatly hurt their chances of competing within our window.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 08:31 AM) You hate the House Majority and the Senate Minority. Well, yes. All major politicians, really.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 11:27 PM) Im not going to fight another person's battles, but Im pretty sure the distinction that was being made was "intentionally". Hurting animals via using the internet, or just being a human (undoubtedly the creation of the hospital where you were born hurt some animal) is not intentional, those would be more like incidental and consequential damages. People can only be responsible for so much, some people choose not to directly buy a product that was made from a killed animal. A lot is out of human control. The point is he tries to minimize animal death as much as possible. You cant attack the position just because its impossible to live and not hurt animals at all. Im sure many vegans if possible would try and live without harming any animals, it just isnt possible. We all draw a line in the sand some where, and at the end of the day all that matters is if in our own mind we are on the right side. That's one of the problems. A lot of vegetarians and vegans love to tell you how wrong you are for eating meat, and how they are on a higher moral level.

I agree with ScottyDo. This discussion really shows the level of intelligence and rationality on Soxtalk.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 07:01 PM) Actually yes it is different. Because torturing and killing animals the way Vick did is sick and twisted. You are trying to support your point but being as broad as possible but there is a line there. If we adhered to your ruling on this matter we would all be hypocrites because you too have killed an animal for fun in your lifetime. Fishing, driving even walking kills living things everyday. Luckily the normal people on here aren't f***ing sick enough to breed an animal in a 2x2 crate for the sole purpose of torture and death for laughs. We don't dismember said animals and hang them because it's fun, because that's sick as f***. You can go ahead and lump everyone on this board and in the world in with Vick since we are all animal murders, but i prefer to take the rational path and separate myself for someone who would put forth so much effort such as securing a property, facilities, breeding animals, and a crowd for the sole purpose of torturing and murdering dogs. But maybe I'm wrong, and next time I'm out on lake Michigan trolling for steelhead, ill remember that there is no difference between me and Michael Vick. He's a lawyer. That's his job. I don't mean that as an insult, either. A lawyer's job is often to sway the opinion of a few people (usually the dumber ones). He's obviously very good at it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 07:25 PM) Which would be crap. You have to be able to play the game the way that it was meant to be played. That's what I was saying.

I finally watched The Social Network last night. I'm not sure why so many people said it was the best movie of the year. It was really good, but not the best. I also just got done watching The Fighter. While Christian Bale was great in it (and I think he will still win the Supporting Actor Oscar), I don't think he's a shoo-in. It's definitely between him and Geoffrey Rush, and Rush still has a very legitimate chance to win. I'm a big fan of Geoffrey Rush, so I'll be rooting for him either way.

Hold on a second. They didn't say he can't go out for Junior Varsity. They said he didn't make the cuts for the Varsity team as a sophomore. And the way that article was written? C'mon, it couldn't come off more as an inflammatory piece of garbage. And this is another piece of s*** from a bad article. Who's saying that another coach would bunt every single time? You know what would happen if another team bunted in a situation where it was necessary? That team would be thrown under the bus for being "cowards" for making the correct baseball move.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 04:18 PM) I was referring to chicken meat which wasn't always as thick as the bible. That started happening after the factory farm system, with it's accelerated chicken growing practices, became entrenched in our society. Prior to that you wouldn't get much meat out of a chicken. I'm sure a factory farm could be set up to pump up dogs with steroids in order to produce plump meat. Instead of a pig in this pen, just make it a bulldog: But that still doesn't account for the eggs being a main aspect of the chicken as a food source. Make no mistake. Those pigs, given the change, would eat you and your family in a second.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 04:09 PM) Yeah Jaime you and your husband are genuine hypocrites. Vick SHOULD HAVE walked away after being ambushed by that "reporter" with the pics. What is he supposed to do, stand there and argue with him? Okay I understand that he and his wife has a problem with what Vick did. But to wish that Vick gets hurt on the field? Buehrle and his wife should know better. They are very fortunate that Mark has never suffered a severe injury. Damn I really hate that this came out. I like Mark Buehrle a LOT less after today. I'm almost at the point where I wish he would f*** off and take the next thing smoking to St. Louis and the Cardinals. Hopefully this will die down, but as of right now - f*** Mark Buehrle. I don't get what you are saying. Is it that you think he should have just not said anything? Or do you think he honestly shouldn't harbor any negative feelings towards Vick? I honestly hope it's the former, because it is entirely his choice on how he feels about Vick.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) I got out in pajama pants all the time when I'm just running to the store. I couldn't care less what the hell I look like when I just need to pick up a few things. Agreed. I think of it like running to the store in sweatpants. I see what he was saying about wearing slippers, though (and possibly a pajama top?).

The people who vote on the awards for television and film seem to really love straight actors who play gay characters, but not gay actors who play gay characters. I'm not offended by it, but it often seems to me that straight actors playing gay characters usually come off as really flamboyant and effeminate. I feel like it's almost an insult and I'm not sure why gay rights people don't get up in arms about it.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 04:00 PM) This is why I don't post in slam. Ugh. Back to baseball... Anyone want to respond to my Leslie Anderson thread? It's pretty cool... I've read it. I think most agree that they would take a flyer on him for a minor league contract. If he earned his way after that, good. Otherwise, I don't want him.

I love you, KHP.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) Your saying that there is no way to compare a murderer who is a torture murderer versus some one who is just a murderer. You can justify murder however you want, I killed that person/animal for food, I killed that person/animal economic gain. Murder in the most simple sense is the killing intentionally with premeditation (I am taking out legal definition of murder because laws are defined by humans and therefore should be irrelevant when discussing animal rights as animals have no representation or say in the laws that are being created.). So its completely comparable, it just is a different way of doing the same action. Furthermore, the actual act of hunting an animal, if done to a human, would be considered the equivalent of mental torture (depending on if you could prove the animal/human knew that it was being hunted). The end result is an animal is killed. I cant speak with dead animals, I cant speak with dead humans, how do I know whether instant death is painless? What if instant death is the most painful experience in the world? What if some how by being tortured endorphins are released to make the moment of death much less painful? We can pretend that there is such thing as a less painful death, but there is no person or animal alive who can tell us what death feels like. We as humans like to believe that we are some how humane if we kill something quickly, but that just may not be true. There are people out there who believe that I as some one who just consumes meat products can be compared to Vick and I dont even actively kill animals. So if you cant see the connection, its just because innocence is bliss. Um, people have died and been brought back.

f*** it, I'm taking it to the next level. Michael Vick is just like Hitler because they both owned dogs at some point and were responsible for the deaths of living things in some way.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) Actually I would choose the 2nd option where I had a chance to live opposed to the first option of being killed no matter what. To put it in human terms, I am back in the Roman dies with gladiators. I am a heretic and given two options: A) a clean quick death or B ) to fight other humans to the death and get to live. I choose option B, there is a chance I live. Like Ive said, I dont really get that deep into these arguments because I know my stance is hypocritical. On one hand I dont like animals being killed, on the other I ate a chicken burrito for lunch. I consider myself a hypocrite just for eating already killed meat to survive. How could I not consider some one else a hypocrite who actually goes out and kills animals for fun, and then tries to act like another person who killed animals for fun is so much worse. Its ridiculous and beyond comprehension. I guess we're just arguing sematics, but at some point you'd be killed anyway, and you'd have gone through plenty of pain and suffering along that road.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 02:45 PM) And why not? Other than the fact that most people like the taste of animals. Like I said, there have to be bad repercussions that we cannot even fathom if people just stop eating meat. Humans (and humanoids) have been eating meat throughout their existence. Things just wouldn't go completely well if they stopped. If a predatory animal in the wild did the same thing, it also wouldn't go well.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 02:43 PM) Me too. Back to my question...do you really think that Vick has paid dues and should be forgiven? Legally, yes. Although I, and the vast majority of people, probably will never forgive him.