Chicago White Sox

Two separate players => Robert + Benintendi

You just listed Robert, one of the worst OFs in baseball, an interesting backup catcher, and 11 unproven prospects. There is a very real chance it takes five years to be a legitimate contender again. The major league roster is almost completely devoid of talent. I think 2027 should be the realistic goal of when we are competing for an AL Central title. I think it would take a miracle to be competitive before the 2027 season and not a ton has to go wrong for it to take a few years longer.

I think the question is why waste playing time on garbage like Keller in the first place? At some point we have to start committing innings to our young starters. The one strength this system has is SP prospects in the upper minors. We’re going to have like seven prospects competing for like three or four rotation spots next year in Nastrini, Cannon, Thorpe, Iriarte, Eder, Bush, & Adams. Why not start giving them some of these starts so evaluations can begin? There is going to be a learning curve at the major league level and adaption will take time. Let’s see what Nastrini has to offer at minimum so we can get a pretty good sense if he has be a long-term rotation stalwart or more of a bullpen guy. No need to cram that initial evaluation into a two month post deadline period because we’re hoping to snag a minor league relief prospect for crap like Keller.

Let’s hope Getz does the smart thing and uses this spot towards developing an potential future piece rather than hoping we hit the lottery on some retread.

I truly hope that Getz calls up Cannon to see how you spin this.

Isn’t Montes a DH-only type prospect?

We got a pitching prospect for Grossman that is more or less the same as Horn. You don’t need to “trust my evaluations” to realize Getz has executed a ton of roster churn to ultimately effectively gain nothing so far. It’s wild to me how much the pro Getz crowd is celebrating getting a relief prospect for Grossman like it’s some game changer for us. We legit have the least talented major leaguer roster in baseball and Getz is prioritizing getting a few more C tier prospects vs. using our available playing time on guys who could potentially fill everyday roles. What’s weird is that you were previously all about giving Colas a shot but now are hoping to flip some dumpster dives for garbage. I can’t wait until we ultimately cut Colas & Sosa this offseason without giving them an extended shot.

Bush has been killing it. And so has Adams for that matter.

What good is a C tier minor league when you have little long term talent on the major league roster? Is that really going to move the needle? At some point you need to start giving your youngsters extended opportunities. And I supported the Fedde & Pham signings. There is flip upside there. What I don’t like is not giving guys like Colas, Sosa, & Fletcher extended shots and instead playing the likes of Grossman, Ortega, Lopez, Mendick, etc. Cool, we got a minor league reliever for Grossman! We literally just DFAed one that I’d consider a similar caliber talent in Horn. Same applies for giving a rotation spot to Keller over Nastrini. Hitting on one youngster we weren’t relying on would likely exceed anything we get in return for these minimally talented veterans.

I don’t know much about Young or Emerson, but does either have legit stat potential? Have to get a legit 60 FV headliner if you move Robert.

That’s part of my frustration with Getz. Go look at the old rebuilding Sox in the early years and you at least had some pieces that were going to part of the future. There are just so many bad vets that won’t command anything in trade on this roster that I don’t get the plan. And the few youngsters we’ve had have mostly be cast to Charlotte unless they performed well right away. It definitely feels like Getz had some plan but panicked a bit after the horrific start.

His velocity never came back?

I have no idea how we went from Nastrini making the OD roster to getting two starts and then being replaced by Brad fucking Keller. The saddest part of this season is we haven’t developed a single positional or rotation piece who can be part of the long term future. It’s going to be a long rebuild with Getz in charge.

Colson ending up at 1B would be a really bad thing and would be a terrible use of resources. If we have a glut on the left side of the infield, trade one of them for a position of need instead of using a high end prospect at a non premium defensive position.

At some point you have to take a gamble. I see few free agents that can potentially be difference makers that are even in the realm of possible. Alonso is one of the few and even he may be stretch.

Colas? Improved K & BB rates while maintaining a similar ISO to last year. His BABIP is down like 50 points which is likely bad luck unless he’s hitting a ton of infield pop-ups. Not suggesting he’s killing it down there, but I’d say he’s done enough to get some major league shot. Now is the time to see what we have in him, Fletcher, and theoretically DeLoach.

I think they go out and sign Alonso. The Soto tier free agents will never be feasible under Jerry, but Pete might be in that theoretical sweet spot. In all honesty, if you look at our future needs it’s 1B and OF that are our biggest holes and the latter will be much easier for us to pull off a splashy signing.

He also hates Korey “Katch the Ball” Lee although that may be because of his adoration for Maldonado. And don’t forget his undying hatred for “Madget” despite being totally cool with Getz trading for a guy that Madrigal would physically dominate at the bike racks.

I called you insane for suggesting Brad Keller was a “key part of our future” and I’d tell my mother the same thing if he she made such a trollish claim. As for Montgomery, he should be at AAA right now because he just turned 22 years old and had a 167 plate appearances above High A ball coming into this season. DeLoach is a 25 year old coming a full season of AAA ball. Why the f*** did we acquire this kid if he needed more seasoning? The same applies to Fletcher. You say he needed to be sent down to “reestablish good habits” but nothing in his performance in Charlotte warranted a call-up. Him getting called up again reeks of desperation after pretending Ortega was a major league OF. So yeah, I don’t really care all that much about us trading a random lottery ticket for another AAAA OF who might be a weak side bat in the majors. It’s more of the broader strategy and various misses when viewed in aggregate that is highly concerning. Again, it’s very early to evaluate Chris, but at the moment the dude looks in over his head and that’s truly terrifying when you acknowledge he must turn a 50 to 60 win team into a playoff contender without the luxury of a top 5 farm system to bank on.

Yes, the White Sox need to play games. Weren’t Fletcher and DeLoach acquired to help solve RF this season and also provide depth elsewhere in the OF in the case of injury? We traded a top 10 prospect and a controllable RP with serious upside (fully aware of his health issues) to get these guys and yet they are so unready for major league jobs that we must DFA controllable arms on the 40 man roster and trade minor league talent (even if just lottery tickets) so we can “play the games”. We also continue to play a 1B/DH type in RF, something we all criticized Hahn for and something that Getz implied we’d get away from, all because two of Getz’s legit acquisitions have been such massive flops so far. So yeah, you can continue to look at everything in isolation and say all these misses are “immaterial” or you can observe more holistically and be concerned that Getz may be in over his head. I don’t hate every single thing Getz has done as GM, but there are some massive red flags right now that shouldn’t be ignored. And that’s even more true when you acknowledge he probably wasn’t qualified for this role in the first place.

His endless crusade to rip advanced metrics truly is something.

You word for word said this. Matthew Thompson is still very young so no idea what point you were actually trying to make here. Regardless, people have every right to rip Chris Getz for trading 23 year old Matthew Thompson who didn’t require roster protection for a 26 year old LH relief prospect who requried a 40 man roster spot only to be released a few months later to add a AAAA outfielder (who was just released) to the mix since the two 25+ OF prospects he acquired this offseason for controllable talent aren’t yet quite ready for the show for reasons unknown. Is trading Matthew Thompson the end of the world? Of course not, but when evaluated as part of a larger series of moves it’s a bit concerning and people who are objective should actively call Getz out for it. For some reason, you like to sweep all these little misses and questionable decisions under the rug as either being “immaterial” or “business as usual” and then proceed to rip the crowd that is more vocal in ripping Getz as being irrational. The reality is we have one of the least talented major league rosters and shouldn’t proactively age up our roster on guys that offer absolutely nothing like Ortega. No idea how you can continue justify such actions for a team on pace to win 50 games.

I haven’t even participated in this argument, but once again you’re making up your own false narratives to attack posters you view as being anti Getz. Are you actually arguing minor league depth is not important? Or are you suggesting 23 year old Matthew is somehow a super old prospect? Because certainly we could have slotted Thompson in the AA bullpen and evaluated how he looked as a reliever. The idea we’re so overloaded with talent in our farm system that Thompson would have otherwise needed to be dumped is absolutely ludicrous.

No, but I trust @SoCalChiSox’s evaluation of young savages

100% agree. Again, a bad Lance Lynn returned a top 150 prospect and a very interesting relief prospect last year. Fedde will be a significantly more attractive asset and the return will illustrate that.