Chicago White Sox

Definitely grab this kid.

2024 simply doesn’t matter. This team has no chance of competing next year and you have to do what’s best for 2025 forward.

Given the current state of the organization, I think it would be really risky to hold Cease until the deadline. One serious shoulder or elbow injury and you’re left with nothing.

Agree. Windows are almost always shorter than you hope. Obviously the price has to make sense for both sides, but sitting on a bunch prospects while your major league roster has holes is not ideal.

The Orioles can’t afford the free agent options. They will almost certainly to add via trade if they want an impactful starter.

All fanbases overrate their prospects. Orioles fans are a bit more extreme here because they know they can’t afford to be big spenders in free agency and are terrified of giving up multiple cost-controlled pieces (and assume all of them will hit). As for Cease, we need to stop using ERA to evaluate SPs. Dylan wasn’t great last year, but was still a highly valuable SP. Every single organization going for it would have interest in Cease right now because his floor is a top three member of your rotation who will provide ~180 quality innings and his ceiling is a Cy Young winner. Not a ton of arms like that are readily available.

What Cardinals guys are you interested in?

I really think something like that makes sense. I’m torn between Cowser and Kjerstad due to his power potential. I know getting more athletic is a priority but LH power should be as well as long as we play at the Rate.

Just makes too much sense for both sides. The only challenge is Elias has been very measured in terms of go for it moves, although the team is now clearly in its competitive window so maybe he gets more aggressive.

Orioles fan forum discussion on Cease. Interesting read for those who want to get a sense of how others might value Dylan. I will say these guys greatly overvalue their prospects and seem to think they will all pan out. https://forum.orioleshangout.com/topic/50042-dylan-cease/#comments

These trade proposals aren’t necessarily great, but it at least highlights a lot of the teams that might interested and some of the pieces that they might be able to offer. https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10096703-the-top-10-landing-spots-for-white-sox-sp-dylan-cease-amid-mlb-trade-rumors.amp.html

Obviously take with a huge grain of salt, but I’m getting this same vibe based on everything I’ve been reading.

Given Bob’s latest USA Today article, it’s very clear that Cease is very much available. As such, I thought it was time for a dedicated thread for rumors and trade ideas.

I argued his 2021 isn’t apples to apples to 2022 & 2023, so claims of his K rate trending downward is silly. I also stated very clearly that his value is down from where it was a year ago, so I don’t need to argue why teams should pay a 2022 price when I’m not suggesting that in the first place. Regarding 2023, he was ranked 18th amongst SPs in terms of fWAR despite a bad ERA. Over the past three combined he’s ranked 8th overall. You continue to undervalue him because he wasn’t the dominant 2022 version last year. The reality is most GMs don’t simply look at the prior year and say that’s what a guy is worth. GMs will value him based on their own projections which will include potential mechanical changes that could get his slider back to its 2022 form.

There is no trend line here. His pitch mix was substantially different in 2022 & 2023. You’re trying to anchor off a 2021 peripheral that is no longer apples to apples to help your claim Cease is trending downward when that’s not really the case. Cease’s 2022 was better than 2021 because he perfected an elite slider not because of some BABIP BS unless you are only looking at ERA.

Why do I care about 2021 when he was a lesser pitcher with a different pitch mix and a much less effective slider? The dude is trying to replicate the 2022 version of himself, not the 2021 one.

His K rate went from 11.10 to 10.88. Not sure I’d call that a significant drop and it highlights he was still able to strike out guys at a very high level despite his slider not being as effective. I’d wager money a lot of clubs would love to get their hands on him as White Sox incompetence shouldn’t change their 2024 outlook for Cease.

What peripherals are you referring to? But yes, I still think he should have plenty of value even if it’s down from where it was a year ago.

Take it FWIW, but I was talking with a dude who knew Getz well during his Michigan days. Basically said Getz was super nice but not very smart and more or less felt we were fucked with him as our head baseball decision maker.

Which makes total sense. There is no need to rush a Robert trade. However, it’s better to move Cease now if the value is there. And no one else really has enough value to matter sadly. Also, no one should be surprised by payroll cuts. No way Jerry wasn’t slashing payroll after a decrease in attendance.

Why would the franchise he worth more with their fan favorite announcer?

It’s absolutely incredible how stupid this dude is. He’s so desperate to suck his boss off that he accidentally shits on his entire team that has to manage on a daily basis.

Fully agree. I plan to bump this thread every time I am see that smug face of his or hear him spew some bullshit.

Exactly. I have no problem if people don’t like Jason and are excited for change, but the Sox don’t deserve credit here. Jason is a star in the sports announcing community and grew up a fan of the franchise. There is definitely a group of fans that don’t like his style, but generally speaking he is well liked by the broader fanbase. To lose him after a 100 loss season is simply embarrassing and to an equally pathetic franchise in the same s%*# division no less.

Holy s%*# it’s been a month, but got bump this thread after the Guillen’s clowned his ass.