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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 01:02 PM) He has played the OF on three different occasions this season. For a grand total of 4 innings. The dude isn't an OF.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 12:43 PM) Again fowler is not a guarantee free agent. How do you get 15-20 million. Fowler if becomes availabile would be about 10-15 by himself a year. Hes getting 8 now and would be 9 if he stays. Since hes upped his value and if he did become a free agent hes getting a nice chunk especially since boras is his agent. Weiters probably going to be 10 million ish. And again they will both probably cost a pick which the sox dont seem to want to give up. Moreland could be some nice change. Also we thought the sox bullpen would be improved this year especially with jones coming back full time but ended up blowing 9 games sofar. Bullpens are fickle and you can not guarantee they will be better next year. Cant buy your logic. Fowler also reportedly turned down more $ from the Sox and took less with the Cubs last year. I don't think he's a realistic option at anything short of $15M+ AAV for 3-4 years.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 12:41 PM) No hints other than the feel that Sale is gone. You're probably right about Valencia. Haven't followed that closely. I disagree that the Sox would be wasting money in this scenario. Buying players to potentially sell them is smart if you're not going to buy to go for it. I was probably light on what Reddick gets but I like him as a defensive player with a LH bat who doesn't cost us a pick. "Wasting money" on Johnson isn't really a thing. 3 mil is nothing in the MLB. I'd like to have some veteran pieces round out the roster so we could develop our depth in the minors. If the any minor league pushes for a spot, someone like Johnson could be moved or released if need be. For sure, the comment was moreso directed at Reddick than the veteran filler pieces. I think it is a legitimate possibility that Reddick gets a 4 or 5 year deal close to $18M AAV. There are literally so few quality FA OF's that Reddick may be the one of the most sought after ones (Bautista, Desmond, Rasmus, Beltran, Trumbo are the cream of the crop), and then it falls off a cliff. And the majority of the guys just listed have major warts. Reddick is going to have serious market and get vastly overpaid, IMO.

QUOTE (zisk @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 10:26 AM) why not let Saladino play center field for the rest of the season ? Because he's not an OF and he's doing just fine at 2B? Last time Saladino played the OF, he tore his UCL and needed Tommy John.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) Trade Sale and Melky Cabrera to BoSox for CF Benintendi, C Blake Swihart, SP Eduardo Rodriguez, 3B Rafael Devers, 1B Josh Ockimey and LHP Brian Johnson. Trade Lawrie for a minor leaguer. Trade Coats and Jennings for Danny Valencia. Sign Josh Reddick 3 years 42 million Sign Kelly Johnson 1 year 3 million Sign Brett Cecil 3 years 14 million Sign Eric O'Flaherty 1 year 3 million 1.) L - RF Eaton - locked down for years 2.) R - DH/1B Valencia - needed OBP/power punch at DH 3.) L - CF Benintendi - Cornerstone CF 4.) R - 1B Abreu 5.) L - LF Reddick - Buy low free agents op could be traded 6.) R - 3B Frazier - Trade in July assuming team falters 7.) R - SS Anderson - Corner stone SS 8.) S/L - C Swihart/Narvaez - Catcher of the future 9.) R/L - 2B Saladino/Johnson - Let Saladino show what he has with some LH power behind him in case. Bench: C Narvaez, OF Tilson, INF Kelly Johnson, INF Sanchez 1.) Quintana 2.) Rodon 3.) Rodriguez 4.) Gonzalez 5.) Shields CP Robertson SU Jones SU Cecil MR O'Flaherty MR Putnam MR Petricka MR Ynoa/Kahnle Rabbit, Nice post. Couple comments/questions: -While the Sale package is alright, I'd definitely like to see Kopech added to it. I don't know how excited I'd be if thats what they got for Sale, I don't necessarily see that as a franchise altering return, which I think is what you need. But ultimately, who knows if anyone will pay that price. Don't see why Melky would need to be included in that trade. While he gets paid about what he's worth, I have to imagine he has some value. I wouldn't mind keeping him around for next year - if he has another year like this year, you'd probably be able to get something decent for him at the deadline. -Valencia is going to non-tendered. There is even some talk of him being released this month. No point is giving up assets for him, especially Dan Jennings who has been a very nice piece out of the bullpen this year. -You really think Reddick is only going to get 3 years and $42M? I'd be all aboard that train if that's all he's getting, but I find that very hard to believe. -I have reservations about a C that has been moved away from the position anchoring that position for the next decade (assuming Collins ends up at 1B/DH). I'd take Swihart in a deal, but not as one of the main pieces. All in all, this would make for an interesting off season. The Sox would still obviously be straddling rebuilding and retooling. While that team probably doesn't sniff the playoffs, its not a complete pipe dream that it'd be around .500 come July. At that point, you never know. I'd just like to see the Sox take a more definitive direction; keep Sale and add some meaningful players, or just tear it down and don't waste money on Reddick/mediocre relievers/Kelly Johnson.

I have come to the realization that the Sox will probably trade off a bunch of their guys this offseason, but I will put together my pie in the sky lineup anyway. Eaton - TG Anderson - SS Yoenis Cespedes - LF (3 years; $82M - $22/$30/$30 with opt out after year 1) Abreu - 1B Frazier - 3B Cabrera - DH Wilson Ramos - C (4 years; $65M) Carlos Gomez - CF (1 year; $7M) Lawrie - 2B Rotation: Sale Quintana Rodon Fulmer Gonzalez BN: Saladino - Super sub Tilson - OF Narvaez - C Leury Garcia - Super Sub Bullpen: David Robertson Nate Jones Jake Petricka Zach Putnam Dan Jennings Zack Burdi Some LHP

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 8, 2016 -> 03:44 PM) OK I am a Sox fan and think I know the minors to some degree but until this weekend I thought he was the guy they picked up from the Astros earlier this year. Why does anyone think he does not have a viable future? He seems to do things decently enough and does not have any glaring weaknesses and is only 24. He has no pop but he walks some and doesn't strikeout all that often. His MiLB stats are not much off of what he doing currently..... He seems rather overlooked if you ask me. The bolded in a little debatable, but I agree with Omar has been a pleasant surprise. I hope he gets the majority of the starts the rest of the year, and I'd be perfectly fine with him as the backup next year.

Thoughts and prayers are with you. I could not imagine.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 8, 2016 -> 01:12 PM) I agree about the ceiling. I don't think we're going to be able to do much better than the packages Cameron threw around at the deadline (Moncada/Kopech/B prospect, Benintendi/Devers/B Prospect, or Urias/Verdugo/B Prospect). Could get one big piece, but I'm doubtful that two big pieces are going to happen (ie: Moncada and Benintendi together). I just don't think those packages are worth trading Sale for.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 7, 2016 -> 06:58 PM) I wonder what kind of person Jose is. Salt of the earth? Good guy? Lazy? A dick? I know nothing about him. He's obviously having one helluva year thanks to his second-half tear (when we were out of the race). He's an all star right now. I'm not blasting him, just curious if he's one of the top five hitters in the AL or what we've got here?? Watch more baseball.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 7, 2016 -> 03:24 PM) Logic dictates trading Sale and Eaton. Sale will bring back a higher return, and we have Q for one more year and he seems to have the better likelihood of being healthy in 2019-2020. That said, you never know. Eaton, because he's at peak value, probably can't get any better than this, and is an elevated injury risk. Trading Abreu won't get you a bigger return because he's limited more to AL teams who would prefer to DH him...and he doesn't look like a tremendous bargain when you consider his arbitration status/escalating salary. Finally, it's a lot harder to sign or trade for a true impact bat than it is find a combination of good hitter and fielder (of course, not easy either). With Heyward and Gordon showing the danger of overpaying for defense, though, it feels right to trade the guy who been Top 10-12 in war nearly all season long. And you have to really hit one of those two deals on the head...you can't miss on both. I think Abreu gets a huge return if the Sox want to move him. He's clearly figured it out and remains and enormous bargain, even as a DH.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 7, 2016 -> 01:49 PM) Rebuilding means trading from your core, so guys like Sale, Quintana, Abreu, Eaton, Rodon, Anderson, & Jones. Trading a bunch of guys a year from free agency and coming off poor seasons is definitely not rebuilding. Instead of arguing semantics, explain how such a strategy (deal the complimentary pieces) gets us closer to the playoffs or helps us achieve sustainable success. You don't trade Rodon and Anderson in a rebuild. Those are the types of guys you want to acquire, not trade away. The rest...sure. Though I'd still have really tough time trading Eaton and Abreu. I'd want packages just a tad under what I'd want for Q for those two.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 7, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) I disagree. We will find out most likely. Me too. Probably not worth a top 50 prospect, but I bet he can get someone towards the back end of the top 100. Otherwise they won't trade him.

Just continues to mash. Get this man his son full-time!!!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 7, 2016 -> 12:25 PM) He mentioned Melky, Robertson, Frazier, and Lawrie's contracts expiring soon. I would imagine they may be the first lined up out the door. Although if they do trade Frazier, I would hang on to Lawrie. He isn't going to bring much back, and has had nice stretches this year. You could put him at 3B, and hope he plays well enough to flip at the deadline if they aren't winning. It would really be radical to trade Sale and Q. I would imagine that is not the plan unless they get an offer they can't turn down. This, and rightfully so, but how can you really rebuild without trading those guys? Trade the supporting cast of Melky, Frazier, Lawrie, Robertson and Gonzalez? Sure, but that isn't going to bring in a boatload of talent. And if you're going to trade those guys away, you're going to suck, and waste yet another year of Sale and Q's control. Since the core of this team is still together next year, I was all for one more band-aid approach year, but I get that starting it this winter is probably for the best. But that has to include moving Sale, Q, or both. May as well move Eaton and Abreu too. Jose's value I am sure has skyrocketed the last 2 months. Dude is back to being an absolute beast.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 6, 2016 -> 07:17 PM) I was hoping they'd try one more time and if it failed, start selling next July. Oh well. This is pretty much what I've been saying since June, but if you can get meaningful peices for Melky and Frazier it's hard not to move them. Problem is, I just can't see the Sox trading any of Sale, Q, Eaton or Abreu and it's hard to rebuild without doing that. But if they do move those guys, they're gonna be bad for awhile. Obviously Rodon and Anderson are going no where. It's just hard to figure out what they'll do. I actually ran into RH in the concourse of Target Field last Thursday about 40 minutes before first pitch. Rick, my dad and I chatted for probably 5 minutes. Super duper nice guy by the way. He pretty much said to us that they need to turn the page this offseason and they can't wait to get started. Obviously wouldn't give specifics but I felt like a rebuild was obvious from his comments. Strangely, we actually ran into him again as we were exiting the park after the game. He was standing by the exit texting on his phone, blending right in with the crowd. I patted him on the shoulder and said can't wait till next year - and he nodded and said stick with us boys. It was a really cool experience for a guy like me that's grown up a die hard due to my dad but never lived in Chicago or had the opportunity to be up close with Sox management. Funny enough, I actually shook Robin Venturas hand earlier this year in Macy's in a downtown MPLS skyway. Right place at the right time a couple times this year - pretty cool experience. Robin was nice too, but far less willing to engage in conversation; that said, I was more excited to meet RH - the mans got my dream job!

I really hope Robin isn't the manager next year. Anyone else, please.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 30, 2016 -> 01:57 PM) I still think Fulmer and Naquin would have the edge right now and maybe Sanchez plays into the race if he sparks a NYY playoff run, but isn't Tim Anderson right there with these guys? From everything I can tell, Naquin's numbers are inflated by an incredibly high BABIP while Fulmer's peripherals aren't nearly as shiny as his ERA would have you believe. If Anderson has a solid September, I see no reason why he couldnt win ROY this year. Between who you mentioned, and also Mazara, Kepler and Cuthbert, I don't think Timmy will win it. But he very well may finish top 3 in voting with a good finish.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Aug 30, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) Who exactly is going to trade for Shields? Someone do doesn't want to pay $12-15M AAV for the likes of Brett Anderson, Clay Bucholz, Andrew Cashner, Jeremy Hellickson, Derek Holland, Rich Hill, etc. Shields will be tough to move, but if the Sox are willing to give him away (I suspect they will be), I bet he could be moved including much cash. $10M AAV is below the going rate for a back rotation innings eater.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 04:11 PM) I still would be surprised if Garcia was non-tendered, flat out doing that, letting him go reflects badly on the front office since he was the "centerpiece" of their first major deal under Hahn. I think he needs to go, absolutely...but the Sox won't just release him / give him away. Mark Front offices don't think this way, at least not after several years.

QUOTE (InTheDriversSeat @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 04:15 PM) http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/kapos-ceo...eed-rates-name/ Victor Ciardelli III, CEO of 'guaranteed Rate' was interviewed by the Chicago Sun-Times, and his photo appears today on the front page of the newspaper. Victor is a lifelong Chicagoan and huge sports fan. Unlike most CEO's who get paid tens of millions of dollars for not doing much work, Victor built 'guaranteed Rate' on his own, a company with 1,300 employees. The 2nd part of your bolded comment is comically inaccurate.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 02:36 PM) So, I noticed some things I thought I'd share. The first is that Abreu prior to 2016 had roughly a career .340 BABIP. For the first half of 2016, his BABIP was .314, nearly 30 points below his career mark to that point. Thus far in the second half of 2016, he has a much closer to career norm .343 BABIP, which suggests to me that the .319 AVG, .897 OPS, .200 ISO, 142 wRC+ Jose Abreu that has been hitting on the second half of this season is more likely the hitter we should expect long term. Meh. That might be part of it, but if you watched a lot of the Sox early in the year, you could just tell that Jose was off. Not squaring the ball up, grounding out alot, not hitting for power, not turning on the inside pitch, etc.

That's pretty bad, but still better the O.co.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) People were talking about him as a return for Quintana last year. That's still on the table right? Like, most of Soxtalk. Never understood that one.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) Exactly. 5 extra wins puts them at 65-59. And very much still alive. Its frustrating, because it is so easy to identify 5 games (plus) the Sox should have won this year. But, that's baseball.