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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2015 -> 08:28 AM) Jermaine Dye and Jim Thome worked out pretty well. Dye had 200 PA in the NL, 6800 in the AL.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 04:00 PM) I think the Sox should purge the entire organization and start over. There is precedence. As constructed, it's clearly not working. I'd be open to trading Sale because I don't think it's ever wise to work under the assumption that a pitcher will remain dominant over the course of several years. Sure, there are plenty that do, but I wouldn't count on it Obviously, it's tough with Sale because you'll never get equal value, but we're so far away that it won't matter. Even if most of the players were playing to expectations, we'd be mediocre to bad IMO. This team doesn't have a lot of talent and it's the worst defensive team I've ever seen. I don't think much of Eaton or Ave and I don't like Johnson and Anderson as middle infield prospects. Root for the Cubs!!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 03:47 PM) They'll be able to get something for him but if they want something big-league ready or close to it they won't get anyone that impressive. Closest I could find to a guy like that, 3 months remaining and ~3 win player last year was the Brandon McCarthy deal and he brought back Vidal Nuno, 26 year old reliever I haven't heard of until right now. 2 months of Andrew Miller turned into Eduardo Rodriguez last year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) The one thing he does say that makes total sense is if the White Sox don't think they can win for 3 or 4 years, they should, if the packages were right, trade these guys. Aaaaaand no one disagrees with him....

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:47 PM) Ffs. 1. The Sox need to start over. 2. They are 3-4 years from winning. 3. Sale and Abreu have small windows. 4. The Sox shouldn't be afraid to move them. 5. They don't sell tickets. 6. Southsider has a long standing argument that the Sox can't afford to rebuild because of the fickle fanbase. When you trade guys like Sale and Abreu, you hope to get someone who is like Sale and Abreu down the road. The Sox have both of these guys locked up at well below market prices for the foreseeable future. I don't think they are "scared to move them", but I think the price to acquire both players is so high that neither will be moved - which I am fine with. If the Dodgers come around and offer Urias, Seager and Grandal for Sale - I would think the Sox would be willing to discuss, but anything short of that, forget it.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:38 PM) LOL. I never said you should them. I said you shouldn't be afraid to move them You're making less and less sense with each post.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:43 PM) They don't have stars as it is. They have some great players, but they aren't stars. It really couldn't be worse. Sale and Abreu don't sell tickets. Baseball doesn't work like that anymore. Winning and beer sells tickets. The team is abysmal. Attendance is abysmal. They don't have the assets to build around the 3 or 4 good players they have. They're dangerously close to being the Raiders of baseball. Uhhh...Sale is probably the best pitcher in baseball, if not he's top 3. How is that not a star???

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) His proposed Sale to the Cubs trade is Schwarber, Baez, and Alcantara. I can't respect him after that proposal, to call it a joke is a complete understatement. I would burn down Rick Hahn's office if he made that trade. Agreed. That proposal is a joke. Sale's return would be unprecedented. Maybe Urias, Seager and Grandal get the Sox listening, but that I still don't think that's enough...maybe taking Danks contract too. He way undervalues Abreu. If he was a FA this offseason, he would have gotten a $200M deal. He'd get the Sox a HAUL if they wanted to move him. I don't think the Sox are thinking of moving Abreu or Sale, but it does make some sense if you could get Seager, Urias and Grandal for Sale and something slightly less for Abreu. Then trade Shark, Robertson and anything else that is able to be moved (Alexei, LaRoche, Beckham, etc.) and get as much as you can. It's intriguing, but this isn't going to happen.

How is Nieto an All Star? He is hitting .210.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) I am still leaning towards the Sox trying to sign the Sharkmeister to a 3-5 year deal. Hopefully though the figure is more in line with a sum of $14M a year. The whole team has stunk this year so you can't just say it's Smards faulty and trade him away for unknown commodities. I am of the pinion that we won't see and fire sale as the management thinks next year will be better with the talent we have. Of course we may see some mid-level moves I wouldn't hate that - but as others have said, the Sox clearly need help on offense. Trade the guy for a bat and lets see what Erik Johnson can do. We could always sign him this offseason (although that is probably pretty unlikely if we deal him).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) Neither Robertson nor Abreu are anywhere close. Ehh..Jose probably won't make it unless he gets hot the next few weeks, but even tho he has been a disappointment compared to last season, his numbers will keep him in the conversation.

You answered your own question.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) The Rays have had the 180 degree difference of the White Sox season. Touche.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 03:50 PM) Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 19s20 seconds ago #WhiteSox for 6/22: Eaton 8, Garcia 9, Abreu 3, Cabrera 7, LaRoche DH, Ramirez 6, Beckham 5, Soto 2, Sanchez 4. Danks vs. Milone. Clean up hitter is hitting .172 and 5-hole hitter is batting .192 against LHP, which Milone is. Yikes..

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) That's an aberration. Historically, the teams that spend money and have veteran players are the teams that usually compete for playoff spots. Hah, I realize that. But still, minus Longoria, that Rays team looks an awful lot like a AAA club. Its unreal what they've done to this point.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 03:53 PM) I picked up Tommy Milone in fantasy specifically to spot start him today and I am exceedingly happy with my decision. Hah, as did I!!

Been to every Sox game at Target Field this year, but going to pass on this one. Just got a puppy for one, so she keeps me busy, but this team has just plain worn me out. But they'll probably win since I am not there!

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 12:08 PM) If they had a salary level like Miami and played AAA guys all of the time, that's actively trying to lose. You mean like the Rays - who lead the Al East?

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) On June 9 2010, the Sox were 25-33, 8 games under .500 same as now. They then went on a 25-5 run to get to 50-38. I know people will say that this team doesn't have that in them, but they would have said the same thing about the 2010 team. I'm not saying I'm expecting it but I'm not going to start looking forward to draft position. Bingo.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 09:51 AM) I wasn't clear on that. I mean another prospect, as in, more than one top notch BA prospect... Such as a top guy from the Cubs, plus a top guy from another team to get Castro, and then we can talk about another piece or two to finish the deal. Yep. Maybe something like Casto, Schwarber, Almora and another top 6-8 guy in the Cubs system, plus a top 5 guy in all of baseball from another team would get the Sox listening. But, as you know, Sale isn't going anywhere. To land him, you'd have to clear out a top 5 farm system, and I don't think that is going to happen.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) If the Sox were to trade Q or Sale, Starlin Castro would be literally worthless to them. There would be absolutely no reason for them to take on a big contract and a brand name player, unless they were getting an actual superstar back. If we traded Chris Sale for Gio Stanton, sure. For Starlin Castro? Yeah, the only way that works is if it is a three way deal that brings back another Top 5 BA prospect in the deal. Castro and a top 5 prospect is nowhere near enough to land Sale.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Jun 21, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) At this point, the Sox are so far out of it, they have no fighting chance. This season is over. Now it's time to root for a high draft pick because we need to build up the minor league system. Hopefully the best on board when the sox pick next season is a hitter, but i wouldm't mind the best on board being another pitcher because it seems like pitchers are the only thing the sox can capably develop. The sox has been drafting better ever since they drafted Sale, so we got that going for us. Hawkins prolly has 1 or 2 more minor league seasons before being written off as a bust. BUT BUT BUT FANGRAPHS PLAYOFF OFFS STILL HAVE THE SOX WITH A 4.0% CHANCE OF MAKING IT!

The Hickman they just drafted and signed?

I doubt it. IIRC, he went through something much more difficult a few years ago when his father in law was killed/murdered. I don't remember all of the details, but I remember hearing about it towards the end of that season and being impressed with Alexei's fortitude. But he has been just awful this year.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 07:01 AM) How buddy bell is still employed is beyond me. There is no marketing in the world that can save this team. They have not scored in the last 25 innings which is not even saying much for this team. What has Hahn really done.......Eaton and Peavy trades are not looking all that promising. Reed trade nope. I want to believe that kw is still guiding things and if so it is time for him to go as well as I never thought he constructed teams all too well. 2005 is becoming a detrament to this organization. This rudderless ship seems to be the way things will be for a while. There is a stink to this organization that is getting worse with the good old boys loyalty network. Thank god David Robertson is in the pen for that one game a week he is needed. He should be a salary dump. The bolded parts of your comment are pretty ill-informed. The Sox turned Peavy, a backend of the rotation pitcher, into a a guy who could be in the middle of the Sox order for the next several years. Sure, Avi has struggled the last few weeks, but c'mon man. Eaton has also struggled, but I wouldn't call that trade a failure just yet. Reed? The dude is about to get expensive and isn't even a closer anymore? Hardly a bad trade..hasn't really worked out for either club. Salary dump Robertson? GTFO.