Dunt

Come on down.........................Adam Engel

Trey 2-3, HR, 2 BB, 4 RBI

Adolfo with another HR

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?c...mp;ymd=20160808 So when are we allowed to be excited about Alex Call?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 8, 2016 -> 04:31 PM) Their ownership sure doesn't agree with that if they are firing the GM and trading away players at the deadline. They got rid of Terry Ryan because of his inability to supplement the talent of his farm system with adequate major league talent, don't change the goal posts. You implied they need to rebuild again because of the failings of the farm system which is just incorrect.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 8, 2016 -> 03:07 PM) Another good place to look is in our own division at the Twins. They went into rebuilding mode, and are now seemingly starting over again. They are? Seems like the prospects are just starting to arrive to me...Ya, Buxton has busted out so far and his health has been lousy, but are you really going to say that Sano and Kepler have been bad so far? In a little over a seasons worth of ABs, Miguel Sano has 36 HRs, a .245 ISO, an .867 OPS, and a 135 wRC+. Kepler, who is just seeing his first full-time action this season, has 15 HRs w/ a .277 ISO, .878 OPS, and 130 wRC+ in 258 ABs. Jose Berrios is going to be 22 at the start of next season and looks the part of an absolute stud. Adalberto Mejia looks like he will open next season in the rotation too barring any setbacks and he's having an excellent year in the minors. If anything, I'd say the future is starting to come together for the Twins. Let's not forget that they won 6 of 10 division titles in the 2000's, they were due for a rough stretch.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Aug 8, 2016 -> 08:44 AM) Any interest in Brian McCann? I'd prefer paying Wilson Ramos this fall personally Ramos will almost certainly have a QO attached

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 04:20 PM) McCann cleared waivers. Goin' for it, 2017. Im actually really surprised the Sox didnt claim him

Burdi has been absolutely on fire lately. 1.80 ERA over his last 15 IP w/ 5 BB and 22 K.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?c...mp;ymd=20160807 Fisher 3-4, 2 RBI Call 1-3, BB Adolfo 1-4, HR Martinez 6 IP, 3 H, 2 BB, 7 K Hamilton 1.1 IP, K Collins 0-3, BB Adams 6 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, BB, 2 K Burdi 1 IP, 0 H, 0 BB, 0 K Engel 2-3

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 03:09 PM) I think the point you are missing is that they refuse to overpay for what they consider fair value for anything. They aren't going to overpay in money or trade value. They didn't think cespedes was worth 30 million for one year and they didn't consider Desmond worth the money plus draft pick. They run it like the NFL draft for value. They place a certain value on a player and won't go over it. So they want to compete but aren't going to overpay for anyone. They could have overpaid for Cespedes and it may have worked, however what if they overpaid for Upton or Gordon? Would you still be saying the same thing or would you be saying that they overpaid for bad players? Problem is you need to overspend to compensate for an inability to develop prospects

How is nobody fired for this dumpster fire yet?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 06:54 AM) Gammons just said Moncada, Benitendi, Devers and Kopech were not available for Sale. LMAO, seriously, go f*** yourself Boston. I hope you flame out Heard that too. I can't even imagine how hilarious that offer was if that is remotely true. Probably looked like one of their fan offers "What about Sandoval, Owens, and Johnson? That should be more than fair for Sale, he's obviously crazy"

QUOTE (BaseballNick @ Aug 4, 2016 -> 10:21 PM) He sure does. Burdi's line today: 1.1IP, 0H, 0BB, 3K. Schnurbush 1-2, 2BB. His average is now at .395 after 35 games. Over his last 15 IP, he has a 1.80 ERA w/ 5 BB & 24 K

Burdi seems to be finding his stride

And Anderson comes out of the game.

Bases loaded, no outs. Gets 1 run. Terrible offense.

Wow.

QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Aug 3, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) I'd like to consider myself a rational person. For me, I love sports. Played them, love to talk them, prefer to watch them over standard TV, etc. It doesn't effect my life but I'd say I'm a passionate fan. If they lose, I'll give it a "damn it" or "these guys suck" but then I go on with my day. So it isn't "my life" per say, but I love the game. I don't pass any judgement on those where it plays a bigger role in their lives, I just see it for what it is. Entertainment, hobby, etc. This franchise though, given the geographic situation (2 teams splitting a city), is comprised mainly of the "die hard" fans. Which is a big deal to me because they have always stuck by you through thick and thin, and 95% of this franchise is in that thin category. They put up with the step-child type attitudes socially. They expect more and so on. I've seen "fair weather" used to describe people, and I'm sorry, if you're on a board like this, you're not a fair weather fan. You don't go to those lengths to talk about your team. So using that as an insult is silly/immature. My friends who are Sox fans are all big baseball fans. I have a lot of friends who really, truly don't care but if they had to pick - they choose to be a Cub fan. Not an attack on the Cubs, it's just the reality. They have more casual fans. Now, as far as this fan base goes, I have to say, this feels different. It's beyond the normal "we stink". And that is troublesome. I can't recall a time in my life where so many people I've talked to are so upset, or "sickened," that it would alter them being a fan of the team permanently. And these people aren't just venting, there is a genuine distain that has taken a toll on them. That kind of thing only happens to people who truly care. That doesn't stem from bad play, because you can stomach that. It stems from feeling like the organization doesn't care about them. Which in all the bad years I've seen, this is a first to hear/feel from those people. My dad has been a fan for 65+ years and he literally watches the Cub games. Doesn't root for them, but he can't stand the Sox anymore and still loves watching baseball. Right now, the Cubs have a watchable product - even if you're rooting for them to lose. To your point, you don't root for the ownership, you root for the team. What you're misunderstanding, and what those people are saying, is whether you're a casual fan, an intense fan, or whatever - this ownership/management group has essentially ruined their ability to enjoy baseball. So while I get your point "people should be a fan of the team itself," this continuous failure/incompetency/etc is having an effect on their ability to enjoy the team itself. That is a major, major problem. It's one thing if you're bad. Things happen. Your star players who help you draw fans can still perform well in those cases, just other teams may be better that season. You look at it and search for the optimism, "there is always next year". When you can't even say that, you get that "what's the point?" feeling. Why waste the energy? And when your fan base is smart enough to point the blame at the front office/ownership, hostility/animosity grows because you can't blame players for simply just not being good. The guys who are lining their pockets based off the money you're spending to see the team are the issue. They're responsible for assembling a product warranting your money being spent. They're failing miserably. Not 100 losses every year miserably, but this is potentially worse. I'm of the business mindset that you're better off being terrible so you can, in theory, get better. You get franchise changing players through the draft (see the Cubs, Astros, Royals, disregard the 76ers, etc.). We're "mired in mediocrity." If it's the team, that's one thing. When your hand is being forced by ownership/executives to not care about their product, it's another. So I get where those people are coming from. I've never understood people who can change what team they root for. At the same time, those are frustrated people and eventually, enough is enough. That same thing applies to a job, a gf/spouse, a friend, whatever. Eventually, it isn't worth their time, effort, energy, and in this case, their money. This situation is unique because you have a fan base who is so tired of failure that a majority of them feel the only way it's possible to win is to tear it down. Most teams fear tearing it down because it'll be bad for business. When you're already one of the worst draws in baseball, both for tv and the ticket sales, it would appear to be a disaster to do it if you're in the FO. However, this fan base is begging for it because they know it's necessary. They know that the front office has badly damaged the franchise by not doing their job well. The brand itself, which we should be rooting for, is suffering and they're to blame. When given the opportunity and support from the fanbase to sell, something both parties know is greatly needed, they hold and do nothing. They don't add, they hardly subtract - they hold. Yikes. The way I see it. When a player stinks, you cut/trade him. When a manager is bad, he gets fired. If your GM/President make bad moves - they get fired. And when all of that is occurring but these people all still have jobs - you have to point to the highest ranking person and place the blame there. Once you do, you're holding him accountable. So it's up to him to completely turn-over everything, or leave. Knowing it's a business and how unlikely that is, you're left feeling hopeless as a fan. So why bother? I get that and I get where everyone is coming from. And I agree, this franchise would be better with a new owner. Being that most of us see him doing the same nonsense with his other team, it really screams that this guy is part of the problem. He needs to go but unlike players, coaches, fans - that is extremely unlikely. Basically, you're F'd. Now, I am willing to give them through the offseason. I'd have preferred they sold at the deadline but I understand a complete franchise shift may take more time than the few weeks of preparation before the deadline. In saying that, should nothing change, I will feel like one of those people who is tired of wasting time on this group. I'll cheer for them if they're on but I won't care enough to follow them religiously. The point of sports is to compete. This is not a competitive team/organization right now. They're "mediocre" in record and a joke in reality. And when you know where the problems are but they're still around, it says they really don't care about you - the fan. When you're a passionate fan, like most Sox fans appear to be, that is a really bad look. You've managed to alienate a vast majority of your formerly unwavering fan base. That, regardless if I share the sentiment, is a disaster. Sports is such a big business now, I'm not sure it matters, but it would not shock me to see this go way south if they make the wrong moves this offseason. Anything short of an overhaul offensively, where you are a realistic contender, or a complete fire sale - will be a big mistake for the White Sox. You will lose what little casual "Chicago Fan" contingency that you have, and you will lose a lot of "die hards" who are just tired of the same incompetence. Not a good situation. One of the best posts I've seen on this board.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 01:02 PM) Remember when people were trying to say that Sox fans weren't bitter and angry... Fan Shamer Exhibit A

QUOTE (shakes @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 10:49 AM) But part of being a good GM is creating a market and getting the offers you like. It's another argument I just don't find defensible anymore, not saying by you, just in general. Look at the Yankees. Cashman had the two best bullpen arms and got teams to pay huge prices for them, hence dictating the market. He got a good price for a 39 year old outfielder. The Sox on the other hand were shopping the two best starters, one of the better lefty relievers with a good contract, a closer, could also have shopped Nate Jones, a productive outfielder on a good contract, two secondary starters which were going for valuable assets, and wound up with the Cardinals #12 prospect who is viewed by most as a 4th outfielder. That's on the GM for not getting to the offers they thought were good offers. The Yankees, Brewers, A's, Rays and Pirates all found deals for their assets. Why is it that whenever the Sox have something to sell there just doesn't seem to be a market for their players, even thought the market exists for other teams with similar assets? The conclusion I'm being forced to accept is an inadequate front office. Let's face it they blew this deadline spectacularly. Just like the blew the deadline last year by delusionally believing they were contenders , and I have no faith in them cleaning it up this winter. This is a great post man. I said something along these lines on twitter yesterday evening as well. What trust has this front office earned from the fanbase? We don't know what they were offered, but are we to really expect that they got lowballed by everyone for everyone? I find that really hard to believe after witnessing the deals that were struck over the last week or two. If that is true, there is only 3 reasons for it: 1.) Other GMs don't think highly enough of the Sox FO enough to make serious offers 2.) KW and Hahn have unrealistic expectations for returns 3.) The players they have as a core aren't attractive to anyone, thus bringing into question why the Sox FO thought they compete with them I have no confidence in the competency of this front office anymore. They have done absolutely nothing to earn my trust.

I don't think they will ever move, but there is no doubt a HUGE chasm between the fanbase and the organization now. Can you believe there were fans calling out other fans this season for not showing up? Where are those people now? Reality finally setting in that no one wants to throw their money away on a s***ty product?

Stephens had a nice night again. His peripherals are looking pretty good.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:37 PM) That might be less of a return than Chapman got. No it's not.

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