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This forum has become a troll fest.

I was a baseball fan of Stone as a pitcher, but not since he has been a broadcaster.

Tony said: "Again, no one asked you to add the comment that you "have not been a big baseball fan of Liam" and YOU decided to post that in a thread about him being diagnosed with cancer." I stand by my comments which, in context, were appropriate.

OK, it seems odd to even mention that I was critical of him as a pitcher and was a proponent of trading him. OK. The cheap parsing of comments and piling on behind that is BS. Carry on, I'm done with this nonsense.

Let me try again....while I and other posters on baseball sites have been critical of Hendriks in the past and recently participated in threads suggesting that he be traded, that is now a moot point. No issue here... unless one seeks to create controversy in a semi-clever, rhetorical, self serving way where none exists.

Tray said: "I have not been a big baseball fan of Liam going so far as suggesting he be traded for Gleybar Torres, but I have grown to like him on a personal level because of his charitable work and his commitment to the WSox and our City. He's is a great man with the heart of a lion and will not be beaten by this disease." -------------------- Tony said: why? ---------------- It is axiomatic that when life and death health issues present themselves it is no longer appropriate to discuss, or worse yet, to call for further discussion of baseball related matters like trade possibilities, etc. That is why.

A few of us have or are experiencing cancer on a personal or family level and can relate to what Liam and his family are and will be going through. Ideally, Liam can go into remission and return as Closer. Perhaps a more realistic hope is that he goes into remission and lives a long life, with or without a career in baseball. It doesn't matter in the larger scheme of things but I wonder if this disease was diagnosed by a team physician or his personal doctor, Whoever diagnosed it that they apparently did so early on so he has the best chance of recovering 100%. I have not been a big baseball fan of Liam going so far as suggesting he be traded for Gleybar Torres, but I have grown to like him on a personal level because of his charitable work and his commitment to the WSox and our City. He's is a great man with the heart of a lion and will not be beaten by this disease.

True that, but they have increased the parcel of land for paarking/tailgating that I believe the Reinsdorf group and/or ISA owns. That would provide the Reinsdorf family or their successors with a big head start financially and logistically (streets , Chicago water/sewer, Police/Fire, etc) for a new stadium on the site of the Old Comiskey doing a better job next with the aesthetics and architecture. Fans of every team will endlessly and often mindlessly call for the Owners to spend more on player Contracts until they obtain a lopsided advantage in talent. It means nothing.

You said you went to one or two games a year. That isn't season tickets. Get your story straight. If you want to make a point why wait? Are you with us or against us (the 2023 White Sox) ? Or is this just more idle posturing by another internet keyboard warrior like O'Neill.?

" It’s the sure and certain knowledge that not only does the team not care about us like we care about the team if you think differently, you are a dew-eyed romantic...We see the team as a way to transform our hopes, our emotional investment, our literal financial investment," Your perceived financial investment consists of a couple of Polish and a dozen beers or so a year. Transform your hopes? Please. life is so much more than watching a few baseball games each year. If you are indeed older, you would understand that. "Ah, but they know how we conceive the team. It’s where we’ve made friends, where we’ve gone with our families more times than we can count, where on occasion we stand as one with a rising yell in our throats as a ball traces an arc in the night sky, ready to high-five strangers and jump like lunatics. It’s fun. It’s what we care about. It’s part of who we are." Oh come on. "So I don’t know where this anger is going to go. It’s very possible that it starts another cycle of lower attendance, Jerry using that to slash payroll, and so on, on and on, our endless Kali yuga, hoping to stumble into something lucky, waiting for it to all end. " OK, you are angry so just say you will no longer attend because the WSox are "slashing payroll" like extending Luis Robert, Eloy Jiminez, signing FA Liam Hendriks , Grandal, and more recently Bennintendi for 75 Million dollars and assembling one of the best rotations and bullpens in the league. Like maintaining the financial strength of the franchise to make sure that they stay on the South side for the next generations of Sox fans. It's not all about you. Grow the F up and quit whining.

The entire Hawk HR call should be kept, not to honor Hawk, but to perpetuate something that became a White Sox tradition. Moreover, the first part of it, "He looks up..." would help Bennetti gauge which fly balls have a chance to be HR as opposed to just routine fly balls to the track. Stone has to retire though. It's time.

We have Leury as a back up and this guy is putting up similar numbers to Leury as ss2K posted ^..so no thanks. Try to aim higher than that.

Maybe some of the angry/ hateful fans should stay away from this team...forever. Go root for the Cubs.

An orderly transition.....A courtesy to the new Manager who may have requested this.

In 2019, Gleybar hit 38 HR. In 2022 he hit .257/.310/.451 with 24 homers, 76 RBI and 10 stolen bases in 140 games. He is only 26 years old and will come with 2 more years of control before he hits FA. His numbers are better than Vaughn's and a few other players we have, and the power numbers look enticing. There might be some better trade suggestions out there but this one looks like a fair deal for both teams. Like any player who hits FA, he might be too expensive to re-sign, but for two years, he holds down second base. Hahn can then try to figure out the Closer role with Katz and look for another catcher in case Grandal's back injuries prove insurmountable.

Sox are a corporation that owes its shareholders a duty to show a profit and remain solvent. They don't owe the fans anything. MLB ownership is a microcosm of American capitalism and monopolization.

I never heard cub fans question team loyalty after over 100 years of futility. Ask yourself if you are a fan of winning or a fan of the team. Ask yourself if you are a fan of baseball only if your team wins. 2023 Sox will be competitive. Line-up is good, pitching staff is decent, and I am sure Hahn is trying to make a trade to improve. Relax. It's Dec 26. Go return some shitty gifts .

And it’s too late, Tray B., now it’s to late….. Hahn is not Goin' Back. Time for Vaughn at 1st now. My point was that the Sox cannot afford to lose any more of our big bats - Eloy, Vaughn, Robert and TA. Top of our order looks great with TA, Benintendi and Robert. Eloy clean-up followed by Colas, Vaughn and Moncada , 2B and catcher. Hahn can deal for a 2B and a catcher out of our bullpen, starting wit Hendriks. Long shot possibility ... bring up Colson Montgomery sometime during the 2023 season to play third and shift Moncada back to 2B. I don't see Montgomery as a major league SS at his size, but I could be wrong.

TA, Eloy or Robert should be off the table unless an All Star level player plus a pitching prospect is coming back in return...and even that would seem foolish. Eloy has the potential to hit 40+ HR and hit for average. Robert is an absolute stud. TA is at the height of his career. Hendriks plus a prospect should be enough to land a player at a position of need...like catcher or second base. Screw the Met fans trade proposals. Hahn is not going to disassemble the core of this team.

Replace Stone with a younger guy like Ryan McGuffey.

"Yasmani said doctors recommended surgery after discs in his back bulged and went completely out but Grandal said no and kept playing." ------------------------ Grandal had no business playing with multiple bulging discs according to his and/or team physicians. Yaz chose to ignore their advice and chance it. No matter how that decision works out for him, he expects to collect on the balance of his contract.

I think both these guys will be back, but I don't really care. They don't really add or diminish much to the broadcasts and by now, their shtick has gotten old.

Several bulging discs would seem to mark the end of Grandal's career. Perhaps someone with medical education can offer their opinion.

Agreed. I am not sure what Grandal's motives may have been in making that disclosure to Garfein. Now Grandal essentially has zero or negative trade value. Given that, why don't the Sox DFA him now and open the roster spot.? I'm asking.

While I like Benintendi, I may have preferred signing Bellinger to a one year deal like the Cubs did. He has been injured but he has a much greater upside, is an elite defender with more raw LH power than the diminutive Benny. My other thought was that a one year contract with Bellinger may have given the Sox a bit more flexibility to make a long term commitment to another player. That is probably my only gripe about signing Benintendi long term.