5 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

There are around 12 different active interpretations of Socialism. Democratic Socialism is one. It's certainly not as stringent as Anarchism, but it's Socialism nonetheless. 

It's not though; the way socialism is used as a "bad word" entails exactly what I defined.

Unless you think Unions and workers rights are bad, and that people don't deserve health care and an education, you support Sanders "Socialism."

I don't think it's absurd to ask banks to stop profiting off the death of others.

I used the Goldman/Commodities/Corn example yesterday, but Goldman lobbying to remove regulation to prevent price manipulation in the commodities futures market to make it more profitable for them, which in turned led to them exploiting the price of corn and grains so much so that it became too expensive for poor parts of the world and led to the starvation of 100+ million people is horrible. In this country, we literally argue it's capitalism. It caused immense pain for millions of people globally because Goldman didn't think it was making enough on regulated futures. The entire reason the regulation was put in place was to prevent that... No one in this country talks about it, no media, no politicians. 100+ million people... starving because Goldman wanted to increase their margins. It's flat out wrong.

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Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

It's not though; the way socialism is used as a "bad word" entails exactly what I defined.

Unless you think Unions and workers rights are bad, and that people don't deserve health care and an education, you support Sanders "Socialism."

I don't think it's absurd to ask banks to stop profiting off the death of others.

I used the Goldman/Commodities/Corn example yesterday, but Goldman lobbying to remove regulation to prevent price manipulation in the commodities futures market to make it more profitable for them, which in turned led to them exploiting the price of corn and grains so much so that it became too expensive for poor parts of the world and led to the starvation of 100+ million people is horrible. In this country, we literally argue it's capitalism. It caused immense pain for millions of people globally because Goldman didn't think it was making enough on regulated futures. The entire reason the regulation was put in place was to prevent that... No one in this country talks about it, no media, no politicians. 100+ million people... starving because Goldman wanted to increase their margins.

Your take is about as dogmatic as saying Reagan wasn't a capitalist because he believed in some minimal regulation. Bernie is a Socialist. That's fantastic. We need more like him. Socialism has a ton of value, especially as we move into the age of automation. 

11 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

As long as the election was conducted fairly and balanced, I am ok with it. If there was any fraudulent voting I'm not OK with it

Somehow I don’t believe that

5 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:

The argument is stand for something, anything, at this point because dems are the epitome of empty suits.  I stand here wanting to bash my head against wall because they keep trotting out the same BS expecting to work.

I mean, one party had a platform literally saying “we have no platform” and it wasn’t mine.

1 minute ago, TaylorStSox said:

Your take is about as dogmatic as saying Reagan wasn't a capitalist because he believed in some minimal regulation. Bernie is a Socialist. That's fantastic. We need more like him. Socialism has a ton of value, especially as we move into the age of automation. 

We'll agree to disagree; from a financial understanding of the word it's just not socialism. He is not transferring ownership from the few to the many; he is merely asking the few to distribute wealth to the masses in a way that is logical and in line with the actual impact people have on a company. Either way, we're arguing semantics and I think you are pointing out how the media evolves a "boogey man" word to mean entirely different things. It's similar to how everyone was a communist back in the day if they questioned the machine.

9 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

So the argument that moving left is the only way to expand turnout?

I think it's the best way, but not necessarily the only way.

Nevertheless, I think doing more of the same is an impossibility if the party wants to hold on to its progressive side. On this current long-term path, the Republicans will stay at their lunatic fascist state, the Democrats will become the center-right party (which they basically are right now), and a third party will inevitably have to emerge

CNN projects MI for Biden.

Biden with some pretty strong words just now

I think Biden just won Michigan

Just now, mqr said:

Biden with some pretty strong words just now

Can you fill us in?

Just now, mqr said:

Biden with some pretty strong words just now

Man it is nice to have a person who sounds Presidential again.   I miss it.

Just now, soxfan49 said:

I think Biden just won Michigan

If he wins Arizona too is it over then? I haven't been able to follow along much today.

5 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

I think it's the best way, but not necessarily the only way.

Nevertheless, I think doing more of the same is an impossibility if the party wants to hold on to its progressive side. On this current long-term path, the Republicans will stay at their lunatic fascist state, the Democrats will become the center-right party (which they basically are right now), and a third party will inevitably have to emerge

I mean, only if they want to lose every election in the country. 

1 minute ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

If he wins Arizona too is it over then? I haven't been able to follow along much today.

Still needs Nevada too

1 minute ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

If he wins Arizona too is it over then? I haven't been able to follow along much today.

Needs Nevada or Georgia or Pennsylvania in addition to AZ. Trump must win all 3 of those.

2 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

If he wins Arizona too is it over then? I haven't been able to follow along much today.

Either Arizona and Nevada, or PA by itself.

Hi Don!

Thanks guys.

5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I mean, only if they want to lose every election in the country. 

Seems extreme to me but ok, I guess they should continue running out old white centrists and hope for the best

8 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

Can you fill us in?

He basically went all the way up to declaring himself without quite crossing that line. 

"I am not here to declare myself winner before the counting is done, but we are very confident we will be victorious" if my memory serves. 

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1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said:

Seems extreme to me but ok, I guess they should continue running out old white centrists and hope for the best

https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1324099938259787778?s=20 https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1324099938259787778?s=20

Stoller is an economist I would recommend.

7 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

If he wins Arizona too is it over then? I haven't been able to follow along much today.

If he gets Arizona he would be at 264 and would need one of Nevada, Pennsylvania, Georgia, or North Carolina to win. This is based on the CNN math.

8 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

Can you fill us in?

“We are moving towards 270 votes, but we haven’t won yet.”

Here's a link to Biden's speech for anyone interested

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OyKAgjReAeJb

1 minute ago, The Beast said:

If he gets Arizona he would be at 264 and would need one of Nevada, Pennsylvania, Georgia, or North Carolina to win. This is based on the CNN math.

“We are moving towards 270 votes, but we haven’t won yet.”

And FWIW, Fox already called AZ for Biden.  If you believe that, Biden literally needs one more of any of the remaining states besides AK.

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

And FWIW, Fox already called AZ for Biden.  If you believe that, Biden literally needs one more of any of the remaining states besides AK.

AP has also yet to retract